Mal: And I never back down from a fight. Inara: Yes, you do! You do all the time!

'Shindig'


Natter 59: Dominate Your Face!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Jul 16, 2008 11:14:31 am PDT #8135 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

What type of job is it?

Something in the Google Death Ray department?


Fred Pete - Jul 16, 2008 11:20:03 am PDT #8136 of 10003
Ann, that's a ferret.

who is the victim?

I'd been thinking that the church was the victim. It's a fair point as to whether there was a theft and, therefore, a crime. And since it's been 20 years since I studied any criminal law that wasn't white collar, I'll let others argue the point.

As to cheapening the idea of a hate crime, I think of a "hate crime" as (1) a crime where (2) the motive is hatred of a group. Which means, if something is stolen from a Catholic church because it belongs to a Catholic church, the motive could be seen as religious bias.

So, any theft here would be at least arguably a hate crime. Which doesn't mean that a sensible D.A. would necessarily choose to prosecute anything that way.


Calli - Jul 16, 2008 11:21:08 am PDT #8137 of 10003
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

What type of job is it?

A Troll-be-gone Google api, I bet. You use Google Earth to locate them, and then you use Google Magic Wand to take away their web access.


Jesse - Jul 16, 2008 11:21:58 am PDT #8138 of 10003
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

And trying to figure out what the hell I'm going to wear.

Something smart, yet interesting, and long-lasting. Aren't their processes supposed to be hellish? (Not Hellish.)

I thought I had picked up a second wind from doing a little stupid computer training for my team (it was An Accomplishment! And easy!), but sadly, it only lasted about 15 minutes. I am so done.


megan walker - Jul 16, 2008 11:28:45 am PDT #8139 of 10003
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

As to cheapening the idea of a hate crime, I think of a "hate crime" as (1) a crime where (2) the motive is hatred of a group. Which means, if something is stolen from a Catholic church because it belongs to a Catholic church, the motive could be seen as religious bias. So, any theft here would be at least arguably a hate crime.

Which is exactly my problem with the concept of "hate crime." Theft is theft.


shrift - Jul 16, 2008 11:30:27 am PDT #8140 of 10003
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

What type of job is it?

Sort of a technical auditing position.

Something smart, yet interesting, and long-lasting. Aren't their processes supposed to be hellish?

Yeah, I was thinking something on the nicer side of business casual, but colorful and with interesting accessories. I think their processes may be hellish, but much more hellish for engineers than support people.


Vortex - Jul 16, 2008 11:32:15 am PDT #8141 of 10003
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Hmmm... if I go to an all-you-can-eat restaurant that has a policy about no doggie bags, yet I try to pocket some food, I wouldn't be too surprised if they called the cops. So I extend the principle to the distribution of Communion wafers.

I actually was going to use that analogy earlier, but it doesn't work. The restaurant sold you the food, not gave it to you. They also clearly established the rule that the food was to be eaten on the premises. While you are clearly expected to ingest the wafer in the church, there is no stated rule that you must.

I'd been thinking that the church was the victim. It's a fair point as to whether there was a theft and, therefore, a crime. And since it's been 20 years since I studied any criminal law that wasn't white collar, I'll let others argue the point.

Although you can charge someone with a crime against an entity (say, bank robbery), that law is clearly codified. Further, how was the church harmed by this? The only harm that has been done here is by the church encouraging this witch hunt against this stupid kid.

As to cheapening the idea of a hate crime, I think of a "hate crime" as (1) a crime where (2) the motive is hatred of a group. Which means, if something is stolen from a Catholic church because it belongs to a Catholic church, the motive could be seen as religious bias.

I think that the crime must be a violent crime to be classified as a hate crime. Even in the case of hate graffiti, it is the implied threat that makes it a hate crime, not the graffiti itself.


Trudy Booth - Jul 16, 2008 11:34:15 am PDT #8142 of 10003
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Which is exactly my problem with the concept of "hate crime." Theft is theft.

Do you have a problem with pre-meditation? Murder is murder.

(Personally I go back and forth on the issue.)


megan walker - Jul 16, 2008 11:36:16 am PDT #8143 of 10003
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Do you have a problem with pre-meditation? Murder is murder.

If in each case, you deliberately murdered someone? No, I don't care if you planned it out or not.


ChiKat - Jul 16, 2008 11:36:29 am PDT #8144 of 10003
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

it does seem like they're trying to scoop me up before another department gets to me.

This is how it should be. I am so excited for you!!