I kissed him, and I told him that I loved him. And I killed him.

Buffy ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Natter 59: Dominate Your Face!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Laura - Jun 10, 2008 3:48:02 pm PDT #2305 of 10003
Our wings are not tired.

We didn't get a lot of rain, but the big heavy stuff is over Lake Okeechobee right now and we need that.

My parents flew from FL to NY today and we had big thunderstorms in Fort Lauderdale right before they took off and they had tornado warnings in Otter Lake. My sister has been without power much of the day because of downed tree limbs. I don't think there was ever a tornado warning when I grew up in Utica. Odd stuff this weather.


sarameg - Jun 10, 2008 3:53:39 pm PDT #2306 of 10003

Lake Okeechobee

This lake always gives me pause because my grandmother used to sail on Lake Okoboji in Iowa, and they took the kids there on occasion. Try saying one after the other. Okeechobe Okoboji Okeechobe Okoboji Okeechobe Okoboji Okeechobe Okoboji . Hee!


Hil R. - Jun 10, 2008 3:54:07 pm PDT #2307 of 10003
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

The article that prompted the vegan kids argument: [link]

One bit is bothering me. (Well, several pieces are, beginning with how the disease could progress that far before anyone noticed -- did she not go to a doctor? Rickets is pretty easy to diagnose.) But this:

In 2001, British vegans Hazmik and Garabet Manuelyan, from Staines, were sentenced to three years’ community rehabilitation after they admitted starving daughter Arenai, 10 months, to death. She had been fed nothing but breast milk, raw fruit, vegetables and nuts.

There's something more going on there. Breast milk plus starting some fruits and vegetables is what plenty of ten-month-olds eat. Either they weren't feeding her enough, or there was some other problem going on, or something. It's not only the selection of foods that could have led to that baby's death.

t edit: also, their statement that Vitamin D is in dairy products is wrong. It's in liquid milk (and most soy milk, rice milk, etc.) because it's added. Once they figured out that lack of Vitamin D was what causes rickets, they figured that putting it into milk would be an easy way to make sure that most kids got it. There's no Vitamin D naturally in milk, and there's none in cheese and other dairy products.


Laura - Jun 10, 2008 3:56:17 pm PDT #2308 of 10003
Our wings are not tired.

I'm not even going to try it out loud since I can barely manage reading it. I knew I had lived in Florida a long time when I could spell it without checking.


Jesse - Jun 10, 2008 3:58:15 pm PDT #2309 of 10003
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Either they weren't feeding her enough, or there was some other problem going on, or something. It's not only the selection of foods that could have led to that baby's death.

Yeah, there was definitely something else going on there. (Like in that one L&O!!)


Hil R. - Jun 10, 2008 3:58:31 pm PDT #2310 of 10003
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

OK, now we're getting the storm.


hippocampus - Jun 10, 2008 4:01:20 pm PDT #2311 of 10003
not your mom's socks.

OK, now we're getting the storm

it's the buffista weather tracking system feature.


Laura - Jun 10, 2008 4:03:51 pm PDT #2312 of 10003
Our wings are not tired.

Brendon didn't have anything but breast milk until he was 8 months old. He didn't have any interest. (first food pizza crust) He already weighed 22 pounds at 4 months so his doctor wasn't at all concerned. He said he would reach for food when he was interested. Neither of the boys had dairy or meat before they were 2 years old. Brendon was off the growth chart by the time he was 1 month (he was early) and Bobby has never been below 95%tile. Now they eat anything they want; I was only super strict until they were 2.


Trudy Booth - Jun 10, 2008 4:07:30 pm PDT #2313 of 10003
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Well sure, Laura, just thing how big they WOULD have been with a couple of steaks in 'em?


sarameg - Jun 10, 2008 4:10:24 pm PDT #2314 of 10003

A new round has come through, but still no rain. Lots of lightening. It is interrupting and distorting the television signal, and seems to be centered over TV Hill right now.