One of you is gonna fall and die, and I'm not cleaning it up!

Mal ,'War Stories'


Natter 59: Dominate Your Face!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Laura - Jun 10, 2008 3:09:29 pm PDT #2300 of 10003
Our wings are not tired.

It's thundering here too. Bring it on!

because it's hard to get people behind preventing a cancer that many view as the "fault" of the victim.

My sister had lung cancer about 10 years ago. She never even tried smoking. Her doctors all said it was caused by smoking - her father's smoking. She never was interested in the habit, but she smoked involuntarily the 18 years she lived with Dad. My mother never smoked either, but she has significantly diminished lung capacity for the same reason - 39 years of involuntary smoking. Dad died of lung cancer. And I smoked for many years too. Hope I got the good gene set.

Step away from the crazies, Hil. One of the doctors I interviewed for a pediatrician when I was expecting Brendon said he would refuse to be a doctor for child of a vegetarian mother. Yeah, like I was going to choose you, dude.


Theodosia - Jun 10, 2008 3:19:10 pm PDT #2301 of 10003
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I have to motivate myself to go out to the bookstore and pick up the textbook we're going to use in class tomorrow. But it is just so nice out here on the patio that I don't want to move a muscle -- it's just this side of warm enough not to sweat and there's a mockingbird trying to see if he can run out of songs.


Tom Scola - Jun 10, 2008 3:27:18 pm PDT #2302 of 10003
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

There are some really dark red splotches on the weather radar map.


hippocampus - Jun 10, 2008 3:28:31 pm PDT #2303 of 10003
not your mom's socks.

Tom - one of them was just us - it was awesome. and I'm glad the trees stayed put


Hil R. - Jun 10, 2008 3:33:00 pm PDT #2304 of 10003
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

We just had a ton of lightning and thunder, but still no rain.


Laura - Jun 10, 2008 3:48:02 pm PDT #2305 of 10003
Our wings are not tired.

We didn't get a lot of rain, but the big heavy stuff is over Lake Okeechobee right now and we need that.

My parents flew from FL to NY today and we had big thunderstorms in Fort Lauderdale right before they took off and they had tornado warnings in Otter Lake. My sister has been without power much of the day because of downed tree limbs. I don't think there was ever a tornado warning when I grew up in Utica. Odd stuff this weather.


sarameg - Jun 10, 2008 3:53:39 pm PDT #2306 of 10003

Lake Okeechobee

This lake always gives me pause because my grandmother used to sail on Lake Okoboji in Iowa, and they took the kids there on occasion. Try saying one after the other. Okeechobe Okoboji Okeechobe Okoboji Okeechobe Okoboji Okeechobe Okoboji . Hee!


Hil R. - Jun 10, 2008 3:54:07 pm PDT #2307 of 10003
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

The article that prompted the vegan kids argument: [link]

One bit is bothering me. (Well, several pieces are, beginning with how the disease could progress that far before anyone noticed -- did she not go to a doctor? Rickets is pretty easy to diagnose.) But this:

In 2001, British vegans Hazmik and Garabet Manuelyan, from Staines, were sentenced to three years’ community rehabilitation after they admitted starving daughter Arenai, 10 months, to death. She had been fed nothing but breast milk, raw fruit, vegetables and nuts.

There's something more going on there. Breast milk plus starting some fruits and vegetables is what plenty of ten-month-olds eat. Either they weren't feeding her enough, or there was some other problem going on, or something. It's not only the selection of foods that could have led to that baby's death.

t edit: also, their statement that Vitamin D is in dairy products is wrong. It's in liquid milk (and most soy milk, rice milk, etc.) because it's added. Once they figured out that lack of Vitamin D was what causes rickets, they figured that putting it into milk would be an easy way to make sure that most kids got it. There's no Vitamin D naturally in milk, and there's none in cheese and other dairy products.


Laura - Jun 10, 2008 3:56:17 pm PDT #2308 of 10003
Our wings are not tired.

I'm not even going to try it out loud since I can barely manage reading it. I knew I had lived in Florida a long time when I could spell it without checking.


Jesse - Jun 10, 2008 3:58:15 pm PDT #2309 of 10003
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Either they weren't feeding her enough, or there was some other problem going on, or something. It's not only the selection of foods that could have led to that baby's death.

Yeah, there was definitely something else going on there. (Like in that one L&O!!)