Exactly. Too bad we don't have more of you here.
I'm a single undead gal trying to make it in the big city. I have to start somewhere and they're evil here. They don't judge. They've got necro-tempered glass. No burning up. A great medical plan, and who needs dental more than us?
Harmony ,'Conviction (1)'
Spike's Bitches 41: Thrown together to stand against the forces of darkness
[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.
Stephanie - Jul 30, 2008 8:00:03 am PDT #9258 of 10001
Trust my rage
Vortex - Jul 30, 2008 8:04:43 am PDT #9259 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
Heh. If Joe needs some reinforcement, have him call me. Let him know that the lurkers support him in email :)
Sean K - Jul 30, 2008 8:22:03 am PDT #9260 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
Seriously, Stephanie. People who, in other areas of life might have very different views about certain things, agree with you and him 100%.
Ethics matter.
Toddson - Jul 30, 2008 8:30:27 am PDT #9261 of 10001
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"
Yes, cheating - especially after having been caught and warned - is a big no-no. It defeats the purpose of whatever he's cheating at, he learns nothing except that he can get away with it, it punishes the other cadets, and may give some of them the idea that it's OK.
Sean K - Jul 30, 2008 8:34:47 am PDT #9262 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
(*Insert caveat about how using video game cheats, but ONLY when not playing against anybody but the computer, may be exempt from said ethical mandates)
Burrell - Jul 30, 2008 8:37:41 am PDT #9263 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
Ethics matter.
Do they? Honestly? I tend to think that ethics only matter to those who think they matter. I include myself in that category, but I do understand why a college-age student might honestly believe that ethics is an outmoded concept.
Sean K - Jul 30, 2008 8:45:14 am PDT #9264 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
Do they? Honestly? I tend to think that ethics only matter to those who think they matter. I include myself in that category,
Well, they do to me. But that's kind of your point. I'm not sure how to respond, actually.
but I do understand why a college-age student might honestly believe that ethics is an outmoded concept.
I guess I don't. Maybe if you expand on why, and help me understand that mind set, I can come up with a better response.
I think I would say that ethics matter because of the ways society breaks down when they are not important. But I guess if you don't care about that, then that's not an argument that carries much weight.
Vortex - Jul 30, 2008 8:47:11 am PDT #9265 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
but I do understand why a college-age student might honestly believe that ethics is an outmoded concept.
I don't. I see how they may get that message some times, but I don't see how they could completely dismiss it.
SailAweigh - Jul 30, 2008 8:50:11 am PDT #9266 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb
but I do understand why a college-age student might honestly believe that ethics is an outmoded concept
I have to say, I ran into this a lot as an older adult completing a bachelor's degree, but I don't understand it. Could you help this old fuddy-duddy understand where they're coming from? I make no guarentee I will understand, but I want to find out how these kids are thinking and if I think there's hope for them, yet.
Sean K - Jul 30, 2008 8:54:16 am PDT #9267 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
I guess I understand how some people might think ethics didn't really matter -- there seems to be a lot of effort put forth to divorce effect from cause in people's minds, but actions still have consequences whether we think otherwise or no.
Sure, ethics might almost seem an impediment to achieving wealth, power, or whatever, but that doesn't change the fact that people who achieve wealth, power or whatever in very unethical ways pretty much universally leave destruction and other profound negative effects in their wake.
That's why ethics matter, even if you think they don't.