Look, you got a little stabbed the other day. That's bound to make anyone a mite ornery.

Mal ,'Ariel'


The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


erikaj - May 08, 2011 10:09:06 am PDT #4339 of 6690
Always Anti-fascist!

Yes. (and I probably did it someone early on, too.)


Connie Neil - May 08, 2011 10:13:07 am PDT #4340 of 6690
brillig

I'm thinking of removing him from that mailing group and never responding and letting him think we've emigrated to Tibet or something.


erikaj - May 08, 2011 12:11:09 pm PDT #4341 of 6690
Always Anti-fascist!

"12 Yemen Road, Yemen." You might just tell the guy that it's bad form to send stories unsolicited. I believe Herself let me down gently that way once.


Amy - May 09, 2011 9:42:50 am PDT #4342 of 6690
Because books.

Another e-publishing story. It's fascinating to watch this trend, but really hard to know which it's going to go in a year or two.


Barb - May 10, 2011 11:49:25 am PDT #4343 of 6690
“Not dead yet!”

I'm honestly considering giving it a go. I have some manuscripts sitting on the hard drive that aren't even going to be traditionally published because they bend so many rules, but I know they're good stories. My one concern is that the market for contemporary realistic fiction in e-publishing isn't quite there the way it is for paranormal.


sj - May 10, 2011 4:28:14 pm PDT #4344 of 6690
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Another e-publishing story. It's fascinating to watch this trend, but really hard to know which it's going to go in a year or two.

Jennifer Crusie has written some very interesting blog posts about e-publishing recently.


Amy - May 10, 2011 4:58:08 pm PDT #4345 of 6690
Because books.

Her most recent post is about it, and it's fucking fascinating. I love Barbara Samuel, too -- she's been around the block a million times, she's a lovely writer, and I went to a workshop she gave which was thoughtful and helpful and really beautifully structured (which has not always been my experience).


Strix - May 10, 2011 5:13:18 pm PDT #4346 of 6690
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

E-pub has really taken hold strongly in para. And genre readers seem (to me) to be leading the trends in tech adapatations -- because we're big reading crackheads who want our crack, now, here.

I haven't read the Cruisie bit -- taking a smoke break from grading now -- but I know Joey Hill started at, I think, Samhain. I think Lilith St. Crow has epubbed some of her stuff that didn't quite suit publishers.

I don't know what the cost is, but the thing, from what I understand, with epubbing, is reputation and some badass aggro street marketing and some reviews of stuff.

Tangent: Ugh, I can't wait to be out of school so I can get the website up and running, and put out some writing. I would like to review some books on my personal blog -- I've been on a bit of a roll with it -- some writing, some pics, but I've been writing more consistently at it. And doing the other little jobs I have...I feel kinda juicified with the verbiage lately.


Barb - May 10, 2011 5:23:40 pm PDT #4347 of 6690
“Not dead yet!”

This has been such a hard thing for me to wrap my brain around in so many ways. For one, I'm stubborn and need to be beat repeatedly over the head to break out of my own stubborn mindset.

What I want to do is just write. I'm not interested in multi-media-- I've always liked the idea of traditional publishing because someone else does the work of copyediting (sometimes) and editing (sometimes) and cover design (when they don't fuck it up) and publicity (Ha!) and distribution (Okay, that one they win, sort of, but with the Borders cock up, even that's in question) and...

I look at people who can look at writing as a business-- who can say, "Oh, that's what's selling and I want to be a published author, so that's what I'll write" and I simply can't wrap my head around it. I can understand it, on an intellectual/practical level, but on a personal one, it escapes me. Yet, those are the people who seem to be succeeding. Me, with all my stupid, lofty principles of writing for the sake of writing the story I want to tell and all I'm doing is failing.

Lewis and I spent hours today talking about this and I'm trying to figure out a way that I can make it work for me. I am concerned about oversaturation, but the same could be said for publishing as a whole, so I'm not so sure how valid a concern that is. I'm also concerned about the metric shitton of promo/work involved in pimping oneself, which, as he reminded me, I have to do more and more of with the traditionally published books. Finally, he did say something that really hit home (and of course, being me, made me feel monumentally stupid, because of course, he's right)-- he said, "What has traditional publishing done for you in the last five years other than bring you to tears?"

What it boils down to is if I do nothing, I've got no one to blame but myself. If I do something and fail spectacularly, I have no one to blame but myself. I don't know if that amounts to empowering, but it does spotlight on whose shoulders the primary responsibility rests.

Ultimately, though I'm just so fucking scared of failing on yet another front.


Amy - May 10, 2011 5:47:43 pm PDT #4348 of 6690
Because books.

Me, with all my stupid, lofty principles of writing for the sake of writing the story I want to tell and all I'm doing is failing.

You need to define what failure means to you, though. For a lot of people out there, you're a success -- three published novels and good reviews.

The thing about publishing, whether it's traditional or not (and the same is true of any art form), is that only some works are going to be homeruns.

If you're good enough -- or consistently delivering a product enough people want -- you can carry a few hits into a stable lifelong career. Think Stephen King, Nora Roberts. But they also started a long time ago, and had the kind of support from publishers that it's hard to get anymore.

Jennifer Crusie is example of someone who changed her product. Her sales have dropped, and even though I'm willing to read some of the newer stories, I'm not willing to read the collaborations -- I thought they were crap in comparison to her other books.

I don't think you've failed at all, but I would caution that it's dangerous to equate success with "huge bestseller" OR with "undisputed acclaim". Not a lot of people get both, for one, and very few people get either, despite the huge number of books that get published every year.

It's sad, but the market has changed. Not a lot of readers are willing to take a chance on a book that doesn't fit easily into a genre, because there are so many that DO, that they can get automatically.

Also? I'm nervous about Cold Kiss. Yeah, it's YA and it has a paranormal element, but it's not Twilight. There's no ill-fated love (in a continuing sense, or in a "fated to be together through Important Supernatural Goings On" way), there's no hero swooping in to rescue Wren, there's no real triangle. It's not the happiest ending ever.

I'm glad that Harper liked it enough to buy it, and I'm very grateful they're going to publicize it (online), but I have no idea if it's going to be something the target audience actually likes.