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'War Stories'


The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


erikaj - Aug 16, 2010 6:34:48 am PDT #3528 of 6693
Always Anti-fascist!

Mom's back at work and high school starts crazy-early. Which I never really noticed when I was in one...I guess I became a night person when I was older. But it sort of feels like that old commercial "We do more before 11 than some people do all day."


Topic!Cindy - Aug 16, 2010 8:09:11 am PDT #3529 of 6693
What is even happening?

I never used to delete. I think I got in the habit with recaps. The deadlines are short (since I supposedly "weecap" most of my shows -- which for me, just means my time and paycheck is wee, not my word count). Either a thing works or it doesn't.

Historically, I've pasted stuff I've removed onto the end of a doc, so it's all right in there. I just got out of the swing of doing it.

I have a new question about flashbacks, time jumps, and similar devices. How do you all feel about them as readers? And, as writers, if you use them, what are your guidelines.

For example, I want to start my story in the present day, with my main character as adults, but they've known one another since childhood and some of the conflict has its genesis in their childhood. Now I could just cover that in narration I suppose, but sometimes, I like the flashback. It seems more like showing, whereas exposition is almost always telling.

I was recently reading Stephen King's On Writing, though, and if I recall correctly, he thinks flashbacks are generally a bad idea. (Although I swear I've read books of his where he's used them).


Barb - Aug 16, 2010 8:15:17 am PDT #3530 of 6693
“Not dead yet!”

There are no absolutes in writing. Which is my biggest issue with On Writing, although overall, it's a good book. But if it works for your story and your characters, then by all means, use them. One of my favorite uses of the flashback is in The Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood which flows back and forth and tells the story of Siddalee and her mother, Vivi's relationship. What's brilliant about how Rebecca Wells tells the story is you see Sidda's interpretation of events, then you see how they unfolded in "real time" via Vivi and the rest of the Ya-Ya's recollection and in doing so, it renders an EXTREMELY unsympathetic character (Vivi) very nearly sympathetic. Or at least, understandable.

Long convoluted way of saying a) I don't mind them, and b) use 'em if they work for you.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 16, 2010 8:18:09 am PDT #3531 of 6693
What is even happening?

That's how I think this story wants to be told. Have you used the technique much, Barb? Are there any pitfalls of which I should be wary?


erikaj - Aug 16, 2010 8:18:33 am PDT #3532 of 6693
Always Anti-fascist!

Don't worry about the books...I've driven myself insane(r) trying to follow all the different tv-script writing books, but they contradict each other constantly. So I'm not reading any more books. Although everyone and their brother wants me to read "On Writing," I hope it's not a "Take the hint," thing like giving soap to your secret santa with BO.


Connie Neil - Aug 16, 2010 8:37:22 am PDT #3533 of 6693
brillig

Flashbacks are hard, because you need a definitive way to show you're doing them. There's the chapter heading method, ie "2 Years Ago" or something. I don't think there's a specifically graceful way to do them, because it's an obvious story construction device, not a flow of narrative.


Barb - Aug 16, 2010 9:48:46 am PDT #3534 of 6693
“Not dead yet!”

That's how I think this story wants to be told. Have you used the technique much, Barb? Are there any pitfalls of which I should be wary?

So far, I've only used the "flashback" per se, in one manuscript, the 1960s set women's fiction that's been trying to kill me for the past couple of years. While it's set primarily in 1965, I do have to show some scenes set in 1959 and 1960 and I think the thing I've tried to be careful with is to not overuse it-- but it has been an integral component in showing events that shaped the main character that couldn't have been shown any other way, other than a massive backstory dump of "telling."

Something I've been using throughout as chapter headers is headlines from the time period-- and when I flashback, I use one from the year I'm flashing back to, such as:

CUBA REBELS KILL HIGH CASTRO AIDE
Bombs Rock Havana
R. Hart Phillips
The New York Times
December 1, 1960

I then reinforce it with an italicized December 1960 just before I go into the meat of the chapter.

That's just one way. I'm sure there are others.


Amy - Aug 16, 2010 10:36:30 am PDT #3535 of 6693
Because books.

I used a lot of flashbacks in Pictures of Us, and in Cold Kiss, and usually I just start a new chapter with the flashback. If you lead into it right, it's easy to tell that the character is remembering something from the past -- in Cold Kiss it was even easier because it's present tense, and the flashbacks aren't.

I don't think you should ever overuse them, but some stories lend themselves to it, or require if the past figures in heavily. It all depends.

All I know is, I just turned in the revisions on Cold Kiss and it's not time to eat ALL THE ICE CREAM.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 16, 2010 10:44:22 am PDT #3536 of 6693
What is even happening?

I know you're wicked busy with the move and the kids, but did you happen to send Pictures of Us yet, Amy? I checked Amazon again, yesterday. I am would love to buy it, but t's still unavailable.


Amy - Aug 16, 2010 10:51:11 am PDT #3537 of 6693
Because books.

I didn't, but it's on my list! There's a copy downstairs ready to go. I just had to get the revisions done first, and now comes ... everything else. Sigh. It's coming, though! Promise.

Crap. I hope I still have your address. I'll shout if I don't.