Faith: A kid. Angel's got a kid. Wesley: Connor. Faith: A teenage kid born last year. Wesley: I told you, he grew up in a hell dimension. Faith: Right. And what, Cordelia spent her last summer as… Wesley: A divine being. Faith: Uh-huh. Can I just ask--What the hell are you people doing?

'Why We Fight'


The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 16, 2010 4:10:12 am PDT #3523 of 6693
What is even happening?

procrastination is the devil's best friend

We have a little plaque that reads "Jesus loves you but I'm his favorite." Reading what you just said Seska...I think I need an additional plaque.

I love you guys. Thank you so much. This was just the boot in the ass I needed yesterday and somehow, it broke the jam. I'd been afraid that the major conflict between my two main characters was going to leave the female unsympathetic. This conversation made me dig down deeper, and create another conflict not to replace the major conflict (which is the point of my story), but one that was the genesis of it that sort of levels the playing field.

Confidential to Inner Critic: It is NOT cliched. Shut up. Also, I don't care if it's controversial. In fact, yippee if it is.


erikaj - Aug 16, 2010 4:39:11 am PDT #3524 of 6693
Always Anti-fascist!

I am almost never free of The Critic.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 16, 2010 5:16:26 am PDT #3525 of 6693
What is even happening?

Me too, erika. This time she's being an awful bully, though. I'm used to her piping up 5,000 words in and telling me the 2nd paragraph is crap and needs to be addressed RIGHT NOW. I'm not used to her rising to the fore and deleting everything I've written. I wish I could get her drunk without getting me drunk (because I've written drunk and it in no way enhances my thinking).

How come you're up so early?


Barb - Aug 16, 2010 6:27:04 am PDT #3526 of 6693
“Not dead yet!”

ACK! Don't DELETE!

Or at least, put it in a separate file. You just never know what the lizard brain is up to.


Amy - Aug 16, 2010 6:31:58 am PDT #3527 of 6693
Because books.

Oh my god, I never delete anything more than a word. If it's a scene or even a few paragraphs, I save it to a new file called "Bits and Pieces" or something similar, and save it in case I need it later.

::fans self::


erikaj - Aug 16, 2010 6:34:48 am PDT #3528 of 6693
Always Anti-fascist!

Mom's back at work and high school starts crazy-early. Which I never really noticed when I was in one...I guess I became a night person when I was older. But it sort of feels like that old commercial "We do more before 11 than some people do all day."


Topic!Cindy - Aug 16, 2010 8:09:11 am PDT #3529 of 6693
What is even happening?

I never used to delete. I think I got in the habit with recaps. The deadlines are short (since I supposedly "weecap" most of my shows -- which for me, just means my time and paycheck is wee, not my word count). Either a thing works or it doesn't.

Historically, I've pasted stuff I've removed onto the end of a doc, so it's all right in there. I just got out of the swing of doing it.

I have a new question about flashbacks, time jumps, and similar devices. How do you all feel about them as readers? And, as writers, if you use them, what are your guidelines.

For example, I want to start my story in the present day, with my main character as adults, but they've known one another since childhood and some of the conflict has its genesis in their childhood. Now I could just cover that in narration I suppose, but sometimes, I like the flashback. It seems more like showing, whereas exposition is almost always telling.

I was recently reading Stephen King's On Writing, though, and if I recall correctly, he thinks flashbacks are generally a bad idea. (Although I swear I've read books of his where he's used them).


Barb - Aug 16, 2010 8:15:17 am PDT #3530 of 6693
“Not dead yet!”

There are no absolutes in writing. Which is my biggest issue with On Writing, although overall, it's a good book. But if it works for your story and your characters, then by all means, use them. One of my favorite uses of the flashback is in The Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood which flows back and forth and tells the story of Siddalee and her mother, Vivi's relationship. What's brilliant about how Rebecca Wells tells the story is you see Sidda's interpretation of events, then you see how they unfolded in "real time" via Vivi and the rest of the Ya-Ya's recollection and in doing so, it renders an EXTREMELY unsympathetic character (Vivi) very nearly sympathetic. Or at least, understandable.

Long convoluted way of saying a) I don't mind them, and b) use 'em if they work for you.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 16, 2010 8:18:09 am PDT #3531 of 6693
What is even happening?

That's how I think this story wants to be told. Have you used the technique much, Barb? Are there any pitfalls of which I should be wary?


erikaj - Aug 16, 2010 8:18:33 am PDT #3532 of 6693
Always Anti-fascist!

Don't worry about the books...I've driven myself insane(r) trying to follow all the different tv-script writing books, but they contradict each other constantly. So I'm not reading any more books. Although everyone and their brother wants me to read "On Writing," I hope it's not a "Take the hint," thing like giving soap to your secret santa with BO.