We killed a homeless man on this bench. Me and Dru. Those were good times. You know, he begged for mercy, and you know, that only made her bite harder.

Spike ,'Sleeper'


The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Amy - May 03, 2010 9:08:43 am PDT #3298 of 6693
Because books.

That's part of the copy editor's job, Connie.


Connie Neil - May 03, 2010 9:09:51 am PDT #3299 of 6693
brillig

To point out etiquette flaws?


Amy - May 03, 2010 9:11:22 am PDT #3300 of 6693
Because books.

To point common usage and conform to a certain style.


Connie Neil - May 03, 2010 9:25:40 am PDT #3301 of 6693
brillig

Did I miss that this was non-fiction? Sorry.


Amy - May 03, 2010 9:36:01 am PDT #3302 of 6693
Because books.

I think most fiction writers want their stories to conform to basic rules of style and grammar, and it's the copy editor's job to edit the manuscript for those things, as well as punctuation, typos, spelling mistakes, and consistency. I've been copy editing books for going on fifteen years now, and you see all kinds of mistakes or things that have been overlooked, and most authors are happy to have you catch them.

I was simply pointing out that the copy editor in Barb's case was making sure she wanted Dr. used the way it was. It's entirely up to Barb to either leave it or change it back. Why would usage rules change when Barb is writing a contemporary story set in the U.S., simply because it's fiction?


Connie Neil - May 03, 2010 9:40:49 am PDT #3303 of 6693
brillig

Why would usage rules change when Barb is writing a contemporary story set in the U.S., simply because it's fiction?

Because the usage of Dr. for non-medical doctors is a socially defined thing, and a competent author doesn't randomly choose the titles that a character uses. A physicist being described as Dr. John Doe, as opposed to John Doe, Ph.D., says a great deal about the character.

It strikes me as a bit overly-obsessive, such as saying "The character in the dining room scene used a dinner fork instead of a salad fork on the Caesar salad. You do know that's incorrect, right?"


Amy - May 03, 2010 9:43:30 am PDT #3304 of 6693
Because books.

Either way, the copy editor is only pointing it out. This is not some huge breach of etiquette on the copy editor's part. Copy editors are hired to make sure that an author's manuscript is as good as it can be before it goes to print. And authors can then make the final call, so what's the big deal?


Connie Neil - May 03, 2010 9:52:17 am PDT #3305 of 6693
brillig

so what's the big deal?

Indeed.


Beverly - May 03, 2010 10:09:36 am PDT #3306 of 6693
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

a competent author doesn't randomly choose

Ah well, there's the problem. Not all are competent. Or care enough to differentiate, or even to be consistent.


Barb - May 03, 2010 10:13:34 am PDT #3307 of 6693
“Not dead yet!”

Amy's absolutely right, Connie-- CE is simply doing her job. What I found interesting about this particular instance is how she chose to point it out, because she's been very good about phrasing things as questions, i.e. writing in the margin "AU: are you certain this is the word you want?" or something to that effect.

With this particular case, she actually wrote something definitive:

"AU: he's referred to as Dr. throughout but it's never explained why. He's not an MD. Is it because he's got a Ph.D. in education? Normally, Ph.D.s don't use the title Dr."

Which pinged me slightly because it seemed to be implying I was wrong. Which is me probably just overreacting because as I said in Natter, copyedits have a way of making one feel monumentally stupid. In this case, however, neither of us is wrong-- it's just my MS and I have good reason for using it in that manner and it's not technically incorrect, so I just noted it and moved on.