Dawn: I thought you were adequate. Giles: And the accolades keep pouring in. I'd best take my leave before my head swells any larger. Good night.

'First Date'


The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


-t - Feb 17, 2010 5:54:20 am PST #3084 of 6692
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I think going big is smart, Gud. Even if you decide sometime down the road to make it one book and distill it down, you'll know all the parts you've written and that'll make what you keep richer, imho.

And fantasy does lend itself to big, it seems.


Gudanov - Feb 17, 2010 6:01:49 am PST #3085 of 6692
Coding and Sleeping

I've been pondering whether I sent out too early a draft to beta readers. On the one hand, since I'm planning on doing substantial work, I can consider pretty much any comment since I'm very open to change. On the other hand, I might eliminate or rewrite scenes where someone pointed out an error and I feel sort of guilty about wasting someone's time.

I've had both experiences on the other side. I had one guy thank me for all my comments then tell me he wasn't going to actually change anything because he had it the way he wanted it. I mean okay you might disagree with my comments and that's fine, I'm no expert, but I got the impression he didn't even consider them.

I also had someone restart throw the opening chapter twice after I did some extensive critiquing. It didn't really bother me, but I can see it bothering people.


Gudanov - Feb 17, 2010 6:09:59 am PST #3086 of 6692
Coding and Sleeping

And fantasy does lend itself to big, it seems.

I think big is pretty popular for epic fantasy, but from what I've read 120k is about as big as you can get in fantasy for a first-time author in terms of marketability, at least nowadays.

The plus side is that splitting will make it easy to hit that range and let me beef up a storyline that both my wife and beta exchange person thought was not developed enough. The minus side is that the first book concludes with the bad guy winning and winning pretty big.

I also feel like worrying too much about marketability is sort of silly since I've very unlikely to get anywhere. This book is a lot more about learning what I'm doing. I'll still give it a shot and make it a marketable length, but I'm going to stick with the odd ending on the first book 'cause it's a totally natural splitting place.


Gudanov - Feb 17, 2010 5:16:21 pm PST #3087 of 6692
Coding and Sleeping

I found printed out chapters in all in disarray on my desk. Apparently my daughter has been into them. I need to make sure that chapters 31 and 38 aren't anywhere to be found.


Gudanov - Feb 18, 2010 5:09:28 am PST #3088 of 6692
Coding and Sleeping

Aside from some minor corrects, it looks like I've gotten through 54. Things have changed a lot from the rough draft, especially with me not worrying as much about the word count aspect. OTOH, this means I'm not quite as close to the end as I thought.

I changed the ending of 54 because of listening to an audiobook on the way home. Things were going well for Lyra and I expected them to continue going well and then bad stuff happens (though I actually think the bad stuff scene was unnecessary). Well, I realized that I was going to build up to a character making a decision that will a major bearing on what happens to the main character. The decision was going to be good for the MC and likely expected. I changed the decision to bad and hopefully unexpected. I'm much happier with the chapter now.


Gudanov - Feb 19, 2010 6:04:29 am PST #3089 of 6692
Coding and Sleeping

I'm done with 54, now I've got to fix things up again, but I have a plan.


Gudanov - Feb 19, 2010 7:24:18 am PST #3090 of 6692
Coding and Sleeping

Hey Liese,

You mentioned being willing to beta read the book as a whole. I have what is now Book One pretty much done for this revision. Would you still be willing to do that? Reading as a whole at this revision could be helpful because I want the next revision to be last one where I'm making plot changes.


Atropa - Feb 19, 2010 9:39:08 am PST #3091 of 6692
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

I sent the proposal for the second Gothic Charm School book to my agent yesterday. I am now trying not to shake the laptop like an Etch-O-Sketch in the hopes that it would make a reply appear.


Gudanov - Feb 19, 2010 9:43:10 am PST #3092 of 6692
Coding and Sleeping

You need to shake it more like a magic 8-ball.

Good luck!


Liese S. - Feb 19, 2010 2:57:54 pm PST #3093 of 6692
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

YUP! I have data limitations, so it`d be best if I could get the file after the 23rd, but I`d be happy to.