Oh, at first it was confusing. Just the idea of computers was like — whoa! I'm eleven hundred years old! I had trouble adjusting to the idea of Lutherans.

Anya ,'Get It Done'


The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Amy - Jan 13, 2010 8:42:17 am PST #2999 of 6690
Because books.

My biggest pet peeve with writing is dialogue that sounds nothing like actual speech patterns. Not dialect, but overly formal, grammatically correct dialogue: "I do not like going to the market alone. Would you like to come with me?"

Most contemporary characters, in casual speech, are going to say something like, "I don't like going to the store alone. Want to come?"


Connie Neil - Jan 13, 2010 9:22:08 am PST #3000 of 6690
brillig

I think that most writing "rules" go out the window in dialogue. People don't speak correctly, and they will say "suddenly", and I think there's a huge realm of difference between "Look out," he said and "Look out!"

Also "There's a spider on you," he said and "There's a spider on you," he whispered.

And I twitch when someone says "Never do X." Not everyone needs to try to be Hemingway.


Beverly - Jan 13, 2010 10:25:59 am PST #3001 of 6690
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Gàidhealtachd

I am somewhat shocked to recognize this, and rather pleased to be able to pronounce it, and know what it means.

It's good to recognize your own writing tics. I know I will discover, or rediscover, a word and be so thrilled with it I use it all day. Rereading later, it's written in pink neon, it's so obvious.

Shortcut words and phrases like "suddenly" or any variation of "seem", "just"--once you know you lean on them while getting the narrative down, you can be aware you do so, and deal with them in revision. If you're using "suddenly" too much, you need to write out what is sudden about a given scene and then see how you can telegraph the action in a few streamlined words, rather than use the shortcut word. this is true of almost any overworked adverb.

With words like "just", you can train yourself to recognize at least some of them while you're typing them. Getting the narrative down is most important so you don't want to pause if you're on a roll. But you can take a minute to substitute "only" or another synonym in its place, or a bracketed note to yourself to examine the scene or phrase later and decide if the use is actually needed.

I find half of dialog attribution is unnecessary, anyway. If you're writing a scene that moves, in which the speakers are brushing down their horses or polishing tack, cleaning guns or swords, sharpening knives, cooking, searching for the missing sardines, it's fairly easy for the reader to keep track of who's saying what by your describing the action as the characters speak. It's a more natural flow than simple attribution.

But when attribution is necessary, "said" is the least intrusive, as is "asked". Connie's "whispered" is a very good indicator of when and how one should use another, more descriptive word. But the less of the descriptive attributions you use, the more weight the ones you do use have.

Um. Just a few thoughts. Sorry to go on.


Gudanov - Jan 13, 2010 12:46:23 pm PST #3002 of 6690
Coding and Sleeping

They're good thoughts. I certainly like physical beats better than attribution tags, though, like anything, it can be overdone.


Typo Boy - Jan 13, 2010 1:09:41 pm PST #3003 of 6690
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

One of my tics is "obviously" to mean "therefore". Basically a lazy transition, and rather insulting to the reader. If it's obvious, why am I saying it? I can't really stop my self. So I just do searches on the word when I'm done with the first draft, which is a good workaround in general for incurable tics.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Jan 14, 2010 3:39:05 am PST #3004 of 6690
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

This book I'm reviewing for a journal is *dull*. Much repetition without conclusion. I have to plough through it even though I've already written the (rather critical) review in note form. Ah well - it might end up making me look at least vaguely intelligent, as a result!


Gudanov - Jan 14, 2010 5:46:45 am PST #3005 of 6690
Coding and Sleeping

Much repetition without conclusion.

That does sound like a recipe for boredom.

I'm progressing on 45. There are a lot of little developments in this chapter so hopefully it won't be too much stuffed into too few words.


Liese S. - Jan 14, 2010 1:05:26 pm PST #3006 of 6690
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Keep at it, Gud. You're doing great. I'm so impressed with your consistency and effort.

I have a kind of dumb question. What's the approximate word count for an article that would fill an 8 1/2 by 11 page, 12 pt font, probably Book Antiqua or something like that, with some whitespace and maybe a photo or two?

Our crazy communal living way lefty Christian singer of Tuvan throat songs came back from his trip to Tuva. We raised a good bit of money for it, so we're giving him an article in our upcoming newsletter. But he wants to know how long it should be and I'm giving him his own insert, so I don't know. I haven't done it this size before.

Plus I don't give Dave wordcounts. He writes the article and then I edit it furiously to fit the space. I dunno how well that'll go over with our buddy.


Amy - Jan 14, 2010 1:12:21 pm PST #3007 of 6690
Because books.

Single-spaced, right, Liese? Probably under 400 words to leave room for photos.


Liese S. - Jan 14, 2010 1:15:12 pm PST #3008 of 6690
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Yes, single spaced. Okay, thank you. And he's verbose, so I'll tell him 400 and get probably 600, and then I can add the second page if necessary given the photos. But I'm not telling him it's an option.

I love him a bunch, but he's cracking me up. I finally wrote him a big note and gave him a deadline, some expectations, and an outline. It's the only way he'll get it done. And he wants to get it done! People will give him more money! He already missed last quarter's newsletter. By the time he gets it done, he'll be back in Tuva!

Thanks!