You're like my fairy godmother, and Santa Claus, and Q all wrapped up into one! Q from Bond, not Star Trek.

Buffy ,'Help'


The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Gudanov - Jan 13, 2010 5:19:51 am PST #2983 of 6690
Coding and Sleeping

Well, 43 and 44 are done and I'm on 45. There's a lot to cut from the rough draft which pretty much means rewriting everything.


Gudanov - Jan 13, 2010 7:49:24 am PST #2984 of 6690
Coding and Sleeping

I got this from my beta exchange person.

10 RULES FOR GOOD WRITING* Advice from Elmore Leonard

Elmore Leonard started out writing westerns, then turned his talents to crime fiction. One of the most popular and prolific writers of our time, he’s written about two dozen novels, most of them bestsellers, such as Glitz, Get Shorty, Maximum Bob, and Rum Punch. Unlike most genre writers, however, Leonard is taken seriously by the literary crowd.

What’s Leonard’s secret to being both popular and respectable? Perhaps you’ll find some clues in his 10 tricks for good writing*:

1. Never open a book with weather.
2. Avoid prologues.
3. Never use a verb other than "said" to carry dialogue.
4. Never use an adverb to modify the verb "said”…he admonished gravely.
5. Keep your exclamation points under control. You are allowed no more than two or three per 100,000 words of prose.
6. Never use the words "suddenly" or "all hell broke loose."
7. Use regional dialect, patois, sparingly.
8. Avoid detailed descriptions of characters.
9. Don't go into great detail describing places and things.
10. Try to leave out the part that readers tend to skip.

My most important rule is one that sums up the 10.

If it sounds like writing, I rewrite it.

I've found that I seriously dislike the overuse of "suddenly", it's gratifying to see a pet-peeve on a list like this. Ironically, my beta-exchange person gets on me about not giving enough description of characters, places, and things. However, she has very valid complaints that the quality of description rather than quantity is often the problem. Nonetheless, it makes me feel better about the sparse descriptions I give on many characters.


amych - Jan 13, 2010 7:53:10 am PST #2985 of 6690
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I can't read the word "suddenly" without hearing "dun-dun-DUNNNN!!" music in my head. Similarly, "meanwhile" is always followed by "at the Hall of Justice".


Dana - Jan 13, 2010 7:53:50 am PST #2986 of 6690
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Similarly, "meanwhile" is always followed by "at the Hall of Justice".

For me, it's "back at the ranch..."


erikaj - Jan 13, 2010 7:54:33 am PST #2987 of 6690
Always Anti-fascist!

Although my favorite Leonard quote on writing is when somebody asks a screenwriter in Get Shorty (so awesome. Be Cool=so sad) what kind of writing pays best and he says "Ransom notes."


Amy - Jan 13, 2010 7:56:16 am PST #2988 of 6690
Because books.

For me, it's "back at the ranch..."

Exactly.

7. Use regional dialect, patois, sparingly.

Years of editing Scottish-set romances proves this brilliantly. One more "I dinna ken" and I would have cried.


Toddson - Jan 13, 2010 8:01:07 am PST #2989 of 6690
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

and the classic "och, lassie"


Gudanov - Jan 13, 2010 8:01:09 am PST #2990 of 6690
Coding and Sleeping

I can't read the word "suddenly" without hearing "dun-dun-DUNNNN!!" music in my head.

It bugs me a lot because it seems like so often things that happen "suddenly" or "quickly" are things that just happen. I suppose if the POV character is a sloth, then it's okay, but most of the time it just bugs me.

My annoying habit word is "just". I just keeping slipping it in without thinking about it.


erikaj - Jan 13, 2010 8:01:17 am PST #2991 of 6690
Always Anti-fascist!

I don't doubt it. In the right hands, I like that sort of thing. I'm interested in the different ways people talk. Too bad the right hands are not often the hands itching to pick that stuff up.


Polter-Cow - Jan 13, 2010 8:03:54 am PST #2992 of 6690
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

My annoying habit word is "just". I just keeping slipping it in without thinking about it.

Oh yeah. I use it all the time. And "actually." Also, everything "apparently" happens with me.