I battle evil. But I don't really win. The bad keeps coming back and getting stronger. Like that kid in the story, the boy that stuck his finger in the duck.

Buffy ,'Showtime'


The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Allyson - Sep 08, 2009 6:48:26 am PDT #2141 of 6690
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I'm about 700 words from completion. My bat is in Australia (the land of the giants!), and will soon be on the plane home. The final chapter is complete, so it's just this part. And then off to beta!

I wish I could have taken the day off, but work is INSANE. We're trying to squeeze five days of work into three. FUN.


Gudanov - Sep 08, 2009 7:52:30 am PDT #2142 of 6690
Coding and Sleeping

Good luck Allyson.


Beverly - Sep 08, 2009 8:24:29 am PDT #2143 of 6690
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Go, Allyson!

Gud, I have a different opinion than your beta partner. I don't want a character fully revealed in the first chapter. Some mystery about characters and background, as well as the plot, is what pulls a reader onward, keeps him or her reading out of curiosity and speculation. Just my two cents.

And yes, I'm a bad beta and I apologize again for my tardiness.


Gudanov - Sep 08, 2009 8:30:44 am PDT #2144 of 6690
Coding and Sleeping

Gud, I have a different opinion than your beta partner.

I have a lot of opinions to synthesize on chapter 1, once past chapters 1 and 2, not very many. I think I need a bit more detail from the consensus. But, yeah, I certainly see your point too. Decisions, decisions.

You're a great beta Bev, I really appreciate it. Aside from my wife, you're the only beta input I have past chapter 5. Also, I've already made some adjustments based on your input.


Barb - Sep 08, 2009 9:00:02 am PDT #2145 of 6690
“Not dead yet!”

So, Agent of Awesomeness just emailed me that the Carmen manuscript is out on wide submission.

I'ma gonna throw up.


Gudanov - Sep 08, 2009 9:09:04 am PDT #2146 of 6690
Coding and Sleeping

Good luck Barb!


Gudanov - Sep 08, 2009 10:24:58 am PDT #2147 of 6690
Coding and Sleeping

I don't want a character fully revealed in the first chapter.

Well, I'm planning to just better define what's already there. In the case of the MC: she's an inventor of sorts, she's plucky but suffers from nerves, she's not all that great in a fight, she's motivated by duty, and she's a member of the Guard. One of the other characters needs a bit more definition, and the other comes across as sort of arrogant which is all I think he needs at that point.


CaBil - Sep 08, 2009 11:53:07 am PDT #2148 of 6690
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

I think you need at least the outlines of the major characters established quickly. Some details can wait to be filled in, but anything that will be immediately relevant in that story has be established early. Otherwise, if you wait to reveal that the character is allergic to, I don't know, peanuts, or gets outraged at shows on the CW further along in the story, it starts to feel like ass-pullery. Especially if you wait until it becomes directly relevant...


Beverly - Sep 08, 2009 12:18:39 pm PDT #2149 of 6690
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Well, you have a point. But you also don't want a flashing arrow over a character's head. "Aaaand bachelorette number one is a marine biologist who goes rock climbing on weekends. She has a shih tzuh and two cats, and loooooves gourmet cooking. She's looking for a partner who likes to shop for antiques to refinish and enjoys home remodeling!"


Gudanov - Sep 08, 2009 12:31:51 pm PDT #2150 of 6690
Coding and Sleeping

It's not real hard to reshuffle things in revision though. Hypothetically, if the MC mentions her brother and he shows up a thousand words later, then it's pretty easy to move the mention back to chapter 2 instead of chapter 6 and utilize the mention to fill in a bit of physical description.