Kaylee: Is that him? Mal: That's the buffet table. Kaylee: Well how can we be sure, unless we question it?

'Shindig'


The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


erikaj - Sep 07, 2009 2:33:39 pm PDT #2120 of 6690
Always Anti-fascist!

I think you should.


Allyson - Sep 07, 2009 2:36:32 pm PDT #2121 of 6690
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Seriously. I'm two chapters from completion. Agent Kate says it's cool to send to beta, as long as she has it next weekend. My stomach hurts.


Amy - Sep 07, 2009 2:56:56 pm PDT #2122 of 6690
Because books.

That's the first thing a new author should know: No reputable agent will EVER charge you a reading fee to evaluate your work. Ever. Ever ever ever.


Barb - Sep 07, 2009 3:02:05 pm PDT #2123 of 6690
“Not dead yet!”

::shrug::

It's terrible, but it's also publishing Darwinism. In this day and age, there are far too many sources for people to check on the legitimacy of agents and/or publishing companies. Especially if they found this guy on the Net, then they can take the extra few hours to do their homework. Hell, all they need to do is pick up Jeff Hermann's Guide to Agents and Editors which is a good basic, cover all your basis guide. But no, they'd rather pay to have their dream of publishing Right Now without properly educating themselves.

Should the guy be prosecuted and possibly have his balls cut off and fed to seagulls? Absolutely-- he's an unethical dickhead and should be run out of town on rails. But as for the rest of it-- it should be a lesson.

But it won't be.


Amy - Sep 07, 2009 3:11:08 pm PDT #2124 of 6690
Because books.

Hell, all they need to do is pick up Jeff Hermann's Guide to Agents and Editors which is a good basic, cover all your basis guide.

This is not always true. We didn't get back to them on time one year, and all sorts of ridiculous stuff got put in our entry at K. -- like, we published poetry and YA and sci-fi, none of which was remotely true.


Barb - Sep 07, 2009 3:12:46 pm PDT #2125 of 6690
“Not dead yet!”

Urk. But at the very least, IIRC, he has basic stuff in there about good agents not charging reading fees and blah, blah, blah.


Amy - Sep 07, 2009 3:23:05 pm PDT #2126 of 6690
Because books.

Oh, that's probably true, yeah. Um, I seem to still have a wee grudge. Oops.

And remember, Allyson, for every author who sweated blood to get a book written, there *are* plenty of crazies out there who type up something barely comprehensible and think it's the next bestseller. Don't make the mistake of thinking every would-be author is just like you, believe me.

Not that anyone deserves to be ripped off, as Barb said. But there are plenty of absolute wackos out there -- some of whom think it makes them special, for instance, to send in a manuscript on tiny scraps of paper with individual sentences on them, in a gallon-size baggie.


Allyson - Sep 07, 2009 3:30:01 pm PDT #2127 of 6690
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I know you're right Amy. I've never had to sift through a slush-pile, just very small scale garbage scripts people occasionally send me in a crazy-ass attempt to get to Tim or David Fury. And it's wacko stuff for sure.

I think I'm just identifying with the wackos a little bit, maybe. It seemed TOO easy for me to get published right out of the gate, too easy to get some love on this second attempt at publishing.

It colors my assumptions and I feel like a fortunate hack, and hey, everyone with spellcheck is just as good as I! Which is how I got into the horrible co-writer sitch I am digging myself out of.

I'm stuck in the "there but for the grace of dog" mindset when i read about these scammers.


Amy - Sep 07, 2009 3:43:04 pm PDT #2128 of 6690
Because books.

I'm stuck in the "there but for the grace of dog" mindset when i read about these scammers.

A) You're not a hack. Stop that now, please.

B) I feel sorry for a lot of them. But I feel sorrier for, say, senior citizens who get scammed out of their social security. Like Barb says, you need to do your homework before you enter into any kind of a business agreement, especially when you're paying for services.


Allyson - Sep 07, 2009 3:50:46 pm PDT #2129 of 6690
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Eh. It'll never go away. Years o' therapy yada yada.

Reading through threads of people who got scammed, a lot of it seems like earnest fools. It's never those pretentious assholes who rail at agents and editors who are of course just too thick to understand pure genius! You know, the dicks who have been polishing their 200,000 word Great American Novel for twenty years, are too important to adhere to submission guidelines, and then send hatemail to agencies for ignoring their stream-of-consciousness-style tome about a basement dweller who saves all of human kind with his super-sperm, or something? That guy. That guy never loses thousands to these asshats.

There's no justice.