Home schooling? You know, it's not just for scary religious people anymore.

Buffy ,'Beneath You'


The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Amy - Sep 07, 2009 3:43:04 pm PDT #2128 of 6690
Because books.

I'm stuck in the "there but for the grace of dog" mindset when i read about these scammers.

A) You're not a hack. Stop that now, please.

B) I feel sorry for a lot of them. But I feel sorrier for, say, senior citizens who get scammed out of their social security. Like Barb says, you need to do your homework before you enter into any kind of a business agreement, especially when you're paying for services.


Allyson - Sep 07, 2009 3:50:46 pm PDT #2129 of 6690
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Eh. It'll never go away. Years o' therapy yada yada.

Reading through threads of people who got scammed, a lot of it seems like earnest fools. It's never those pretentious assholes who rail at agents and editors who are of course just too thick to understand pure genius! You know, the dicks who have been polishing their 200,000 word Great American Novel for twenty years, are too important to adhere to submission guidelines, and then send hatemail to agencies for ignoring their stream-of-consciousness-style tome about a basement dweller who saves all of human kind with his super-sperm, or something? That guy. That guy never loses thousands to these asshats.

There's no justice.


Barb - Sep 07, 2009 3:56:46 pm PDT #2130 of 6690
“Not dead yet!”

Ah, you mean Cliff Burns.


Allyson - Sep 07, 2009 4:06:30 pm PDT #2131 of 6690
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Is that the dude Connie Neil pointed out awhile back?


Barb - Sep 07, 2009 4:09:26 pm PDT #2132 of 6690
“Not dead yet!”

Yep-- the one who completely went off on the publishing industry for not recognizing his genius.


Gudanov - Sep 07, 2009 4:28:37 pm PDT #2133 of 6690
Coding and Sleeping

I haven't done extensive reading or researching about getting an agent, but a fee like that would send my red flag meter off the chart. Some of that may be natural paranoia though.

Reading about getting published just drives me nuts. Every time I read something it makes it sound like it's impossible. Then I read writing tips, open up a nearby fantasy novel and often these two things do not match. I think this is why I just tell myself to not do much research and just revise. I use the tips that sound right, but don't worry about following everything. Maybe one day I'll just record myself reading it and have my own podcast, who knows. I've enjoyed putting it together so I don't feel especially do or die about getting published.

Anyhow, I'm definitely in a low confidence phase. But I have to remember, this is not the last revision and for that matter very few words that existed in my rough draft have made it into this revision. To a large extent this is still a pretty rough draft. I think my writing is too thin, but I have to balance that vs. word count. Also, I think I have too many weak sentences, but it's not as bad as the original draft.


Gudanov - Sep 07, 2009 4:32:06 pm PDT #2134 of 6690
Coding and Sleeping

Now that the kids are in bed. I'm going to have Audrey read chapter four to me and see if I can sharpen it up. Audrey is the voice I'm using for text to speech. I've really taken to have my computer read me the chapter and pausing it where I want to make changes. Maybe a bit of a weird approach.


Allyson - Sep 07, 2009 4:38:45 pm PDT #2135 of 6690
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Meh. Everything I've read in forums dedicated to children's lit is that TALKING ANIMALS ARE NOT WANTED.

Nothing I can do about it now, but hope that my talking animal is charming enough to break through. If not, I'll get good and drunk, have a nice cry, and move on to the next thing.


Gudanov - Sep 07, 2009 4:58:46 pm PDT #2136 of 6690
Coding and Sleeping

Everything I've read in forums dedicated to children's lit is that TALKING ANIMALS ARE NOT WANTED.

I'd like to say they don't know what they are talking about, but I don't know the first thing about children's lit. I mean aside from having children who read. Sam sounds charming from the bits and pieces I've gleaned on Buffista thread reading.


Typo Boy - Sep 07, 2009 5:03:46 pm PDT #2137 of 6690
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Incidentally, Jeff Harmon often lists scam publishers as legit. And he has all sorts of weasel words in his advice that might steer people towards vanity publishers. You know how self-publishing is a legitimate option if you are willing to do the marketing and so on... And of course it is legitimate for cookbooks, and stuff of interest to one family or one small social group. But some people won't take it like that when read in a Jeff Harmon book. Actually Harmon strikes me as pretty sleazy.