See how I'm not punching him? I think I've grown.

Mal ,'Shindig'


The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


erikaj - Apr 03, 2009 8:53:46 am PDT #1354 of 6690
Always Anti-fascist!

You might hate me for asking this, and it might even be a fucking stupid question on the level of opening my work and going "Oh, dag, wheelchairs again?!" but would you feel like you were prostituting your work if you *did* name them Lupe and Paco?(or, you know, something people could glom onto that you like more) I mean, if the name thing is shorthand for people not understanding about Hispanic culture, that is not likely to help much, but maybe their names are creating unintended static? Margaret Mitchell initially had Scarlett O'Hara as "Pansy" but her publisher said, outside the South, that meant a dude that had the gay.


Barb - Apr 03, 2009 9:02:32 am PDT #1355 of 6690
“Not dead yet!”

I'm surprised it was based on only two opinions, frankly. And the problem is, since this is not a traditional submission, the second reviewer doesn't have a chance to call an agent or the author and say, "Hey, let's talk about this, I like your writing, but..."

Well, and another part of the problem is that we're talking two people who might've gotten their top reviewer status for reviewing toasters, for all I know. On the one hand, the thought that it wasn't a traditional submission was an appealing one if only because (in theory at least) we're talking real readers. On other, however, it's clear that many of these reviewers don't have a clue in hell HOW to review. Mine, at least, were coherent and on the offensive scale, fairly low down. If you want to be simultaneously entertained and appalled, check out this thread on the amazon board where people were posting their reviews. The first one alone is a lulu, but by no means is it the only one:

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Barb - Apr 03, 2009 9:08:19 am PDT #1356 of 6690
“Not dead yet!”

would you feel like you were prostituting your work if you *did* name them Lupe and Paco?(or, you know, something people could glom onto that you like more)

First off, not a stupid question and definitely not hating you. And yeah, I think in this particular case, it would feel like prostituting because the names are very deliberately chosen. Libby is short for Liberty because her mother is a Cuban hippy and in fact, Libby's middle name is Estrella. And Nick's full name is Nicholas Miguel Azarias which is mentioned fairly early on-- the point is, these two have names that reflect their backgrounds-- that of being second generation, Cuban-Americans who are assimilated yet maintain a strong cultural identity.

Besides, the reviewer glomming onto the names and use of Spanish as something that bothers them-- I'm not sure that opinion would be changed even if they'd had more of the manuscript to read. I had people who read Adiós and objected to ANY of the Spanish in there-- didn't understand why it was in there at all because who would understand it anyway and why didn't I just write the whole book in Spanish?

And Typo, no, I wouldn't put anything like that in the author's notes-- I prefer not to use the Clue-by-Four quite so obviously and frankly, again, with the entire manuscript, it shouldn't be necessary.


erikaj - Apr 03, 2009 9:11:18 am PDT #1357 of 6690
Always Anti-fascist!

Well, I wish they'd have asked me. But I have about twelve Amazon reviews.


Laga - Apr 03, 2009 9:12:40 am PDT #1358 of 6690
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I wonder if people complained about the Lapine in Watership Down. How awful it must be to live in a world where you take offense at any language other than your own.


SailAweigh - Apr 03, 2009 9:28:45 am PDT #1359 of 6690
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Besides, the reviewer glomming onto the names and use of Spanish as something that bothers them-- I'm not sure that opinion would be changed even if they'd had more of the manuscript to read. I had people who read Adiós and objected to ANY of the Spanish in there-- didn't understand why it was in there at all because who would understand it anyway and why didn't I just write the whole book in Spanish?

I think it's because they don't equate the Spanish phrases as the same sort of shorthand they use. My best friend is Hispanic, born in California, last name of Soto, but no one in her family (except for her) speak any Spanish outside of endearments like mija or mijo. Short phrases like estas listo? No lo se. Me gusta. Stuff that you can communicate as much with body language as with words. The only reason my friend speaks any more Spanish than the rest of her family is because she lived with her grandmother for a while and asked her to teach her Spanish.

So folks don't equate "mija/mijo" to "kiddo." They don't equate "listo?" while picking up your coat and purse to "ready?" Or "no lo se" with a shrug to "dunno."

IOW, people r dum. They don't look beyond their own house's four walls and even then they don't see what's around them.


Toddson - Apr 03, 2009 9:33:14 am PDT #1360 of 6690
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

One evening on the bus one man went into a rant over the fact that the local grocery store has the aisles identified in Spanish as well as English. sigh.


Connie Neil - Apr 03, 2009 9:38:02 am PDT #1361 of 6690
brillig

Hubby will go off when public events have people who don't speak English have interpreters when addressing the group. "Is there an interpreter for the Vietnamese person? How about the Bengali person? Or the Latvian!" Hubby has weird racism issues that haven't borne close inspection. To his minimal credit, he'd probably be just as obnoxious about English/French signs near Quebec. Or German/English signs in Germany (but then he knows German).


Gudanov - Apr 08, 2009 5:19:33 am PDT #1362 of 6690
Coding and Sleeping

One evening on the bus one man went into a rant over the fact that the local grocery store has the aisles identified in Spanish as well as English.

I've had family members complain about this too. I tend to appeal to capitalism and suggest the store is just doing what they think will help the bottom line.


Gudanov - Apr 08, 2009 5:21:44 am PDT #1363 of 6690
Coding and Sleeping

I'm on the cusp of finishing chapter two. I'm all excited about it since chapter three brings two pivotal characters into the story.