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Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jessica - May 28, 2008 3:09:37 pm PDT #9487 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

Obecalp sounds remarkably pointless to me when the age group likely to fall for that kind of thing will also be quite happily satisfied with a tic-tac or an M&M for *way* less money spent on the parents' part. There was recently a post on Parenthacks about using hand lotion when you didn't want to waste Neosporin on boo-boos that didn't really need it (bruises instead of cuts but the kid still wants a band-aid kind of thing).

The point being, you already have something just as effective as Obecalp in your purse or your kitchen. You don't need to buy anything extra.

They do make a "monster spray" - use it to keep down the monsters under the bed and/or in the closet. I understand it's actually air freshener.

Or along the sames lines as the above, plain water in a spray bottle. (With a few drops of essential oil or food coloring to make it "special" if you need to.)


meara - May 28, 2008 3:13:46 pm PDT #9488 of 10001

The truth about Jenna Bush's wedding cake is revealed: on Ellen today, she said it went askew when they cut into it, which is why they are laughing in that one picture.

That makes SO much more sense! I kept wondering why it was so funny looking!!

I could totally see giving a placebo pill on those days where the kid is like "my tummy hurts!!" and you don't really believe them and don't want to let them stay home from school, but maybe think they're whining themselves into making their tummy actually hurt? So you give them a pill and tell them it'll make them feel better and make them go to school anyway? Depending on the kid and the tummy, obviously.

Of course, part of why I like my dissolve-on-tongue migraine meds (besides that I can't puke them up) is that they remind me of the children's chewable asprin that I loved.


meara - May 28, 2008 3:15:27 pm PDT #9489 of 10001

What got me over it was a summer gymnastics class my Dad signed me up for. As part of learning tumbling they taught us how to fall and not get hurt, and it improved my confidence tremendously.

...whereas I was too scared to do one of those penny drops off the bars (where your legs are hoooked over the bar, and then you swing so you let go and end up standing?). And they suggested maybe I shouldn't come back to the next session, that gymnastics might not be my sport.


brenda m - May 28, 2008 4:18:17 pm PDT #9490 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

meara'ing:

On the other hand, it is kind of funny that their placebo is quite literally a sugar pill.

Okay, forget the placebo issue, who wants to give their kid a sugar pill?

But what about when it does? I'd be loathe to gamble a kid's welfare on it ("No, Timmy, give Mommy back the penicillin and take these instead!"), but my parents dosed me up with rum toddies from the git go.

Yeah, but - for a lot of things that actually does work. Hot, sugary rum (whiskey in my case, both as child and adult) - heat eases the sore throat, sugar can ease the tummy, the liquor can reduce aches and make you sleepy. I'm not advocating keeping your kids in a drunken stupor any time they get the sniffles, but I wouldn't call that a placebo.

I bought semi-blackout drapes from IKEA that have worked wonders. Of course, the newfound darkness highlighted the fact that my router's blinking lights are bright enough to light a runway. I ended up taping over the lights.

I use a sleep mask, which is a habit I picked up when I was working crazy shifts so sometimes my only real sleep would be like 11 am to 2 pm. I can sleep without it, but it really makes a difference when there's too much ambient light.

Also, I'm with meara in the baby aspirin love.


Kristen - May 28, 2008 4:41:07 pm PDT #9491 of 10001

I use a sleep mask, which is a habit I picked up when I was working crazy shifts so sometimes my only real sleep would be like 11 am to 2 pm. I can sleep without it, but it really makes a difference when there's too much ambient light.

Sleep masks freak me out. I'm not entirely sure why.


sarameg - May 28, 2008 4:44:49 pm PDT #9492 of 10001

I can't handle anything on my face. I've been able to pull a bandana on when sick and the light is too much, but I have to be really sick.

ION, OW. I was cleaning with bleach earlier and I may have inhaled too many fumes. I can't stop smelling bleach and my head hurts like hell (it wasn't even a strong solution, so I'm guessing I'm just being hyper-sensitive.) Sucks.


Kat - May 28, 2008 4:53:48 pm PDT #9493 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I'm not sure how I feel about intentional placebo usage. I think bandages and kisses are also placebos, just "acceptable" ones. I'm trying to figure out how old a kid would have to be for the placebo to be in demand and for them to passed off with another candy of some sort.

I do think this assertion:

Dr. David Spiegel, a psychiatrist who studies placebos at the Stanford School of Medicine, said conditioning children to reach for relief in a pill could also make them easy targets for quacks and pharmaceutical pitches later. “They used to sell candied cigarettes to kids to get them used to the idea of playing with cigarettes,” he said.

is just over the top and stupid sounding.


Kat - May 28, 2008 5:01:23 pm PDT #9494 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Aww.....a cute picture with Christina Aguilera trying to get people to Rock the Vote. Apparently it's from a video of her singing America the Beautiful to Max.


quester - May 28, 2008 5:08:24 pm PDT #9495 of 10001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

When I was a kid, my older sisters were really good at freaking me out. We moved around alot so there were always strange bedrooms to get used to. Once in a hotel they read the fire escape instructions out loud and I couldn't sleep because I was afraid of fire! I was 5!

Later that year they locked me in a closet in the attic of the old victorian we were renting in Schenectady, and I saw the devil walk across the back of the closet - the Underwood Red devil, that is.

When we first moved to San Dimas, CA we were in a one-story with wide windows. They spent the first night speculating about how large a big cat could jump through the window. Was it too small for a tiger? Big enough for a cougar?

Finally, I never slept alone in a room until I was 25 and I had to leave the light on for the first week. I couldn't get used to waking up and not hearing anyone else breathing.

Now I have blackout curtains, wear silicone earplugs, nose strips and if I have to sleep during the day, I put a stretchy hair band for a mask.


sarameg - May 28, 2008 5:23:08 pm PDT #9496 of 10001

Also, maybe Jenna's not a Republican?

The Baltimore Sun is all obsessed about how she and her husband are moving into a house in South Baltimore. And she's *gasp* maybe applying for a position in a public charter school in the city. I've no love lost for her father, but damn. What an awful age to be a presidential kid. At least at teen-and-under, you are expected to be a kid and mostly allotted that space. To be making a go as an adult under that scrutiny? Uhg.

I think I don't like the placebo thing because of the deception regarding something as serious as pain. I know I'm a stoic (I haven't even taken advil for the bleach headache) but I also know I'm kinda fucked up about believing the pills will actually work when they are supposed to (see: nasty ear infections) that I'm reluctant to encourage a belief that they will when they aren't even supposed to and it's just playing mental games. I mean, GREAT if the mental games work. But I kinda don't want to play like that.