You've got my support. Just think of me as...as your... You know, I'm searching for 'supportive things' and I'm coming up all bras.

Xander ,'Empty Places'


Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Allyson - Apr 29, 2008 7:27:48 am PDT #4025 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I think the "scandal" is ridiculous. I think it's partly media-manufactured, and partly mass hypocrisy - how many people let their 15 year olds, or their 12 year olds, wear makeup?

I got my period when I was 10. My mom took me to the drugstore andlet me pick out a blush and a mascara, which I thought was AWESOME. It made me feel a little bit better, anyway.


Sophia Brooks - Apr 29, 2008 7:31:57 am PDT #4026 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Weirdly Allyson, me too. Like, the whole story and the age and everything. And I pretty much have been wearing make-up daily, without fail, since I was in 7th grade.


§ ita § - Apr 29, 2008 7:33:45 am PDT #4027 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I got my period when I was 16. Which meant my mother could cancel the appointment with the developmental whatever doctor. She sure wasn't keen on my evincing much sexuality up until that point.

Those shoes look potentially neat, but there's now way I'd shell out $200+¹ for a pair of shoes without getting a clearer view of the low-heeled configuration. Every single shot is similarly obscured. And the shoe I liked the most in the video doesn't seem to be for sale anyway.

¹:To be fair, I'm not spending that much on shoes, period. Not even two pairs in one.


Amy - Apr 29, 2008 7:34:44 am PDT #4028 of 10001
Because books.

Me three! Ten and a half. And while I didn't get to wear makeup then, I have been since 7th grade, too.


Jesse - Apr 29, 2008 7:35:07 am PDT #4029 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

How many people read fashion magazines, where many of the models are 15 and most of them got their start by 15 even if they are 19 now?

This is totally what I was going to say. It's just because until now, Miley has had a little-girl image -- it's not that we (as a culture) don't totally sexualize 15 year olds to sell product all the freaking time.

I spent most of the morning on a semi-work-related interesting project. I guess I need to dive back into my email box now.


Jars - Apr 29, 2008 7:36:46 am PDT #4030 of 10001

I think my main problem with the Miley Cyrus thing is that it sounds very like all the adults around her are making their opinions known, making it sound like she doesn't have a voice of her own. I have to say, I wish I'd had enough confidence in my body at fifteen to take semi nude shots.

I've never worn makeup though, weirdly.


flea - Apr 29, 2008 7:40:12 am PDT #4031 of 10001
information libertarian

I mean, the sexualized products geared towards my FOUR year old amaze me. The "makeup," the Bratz dolls, the shirts with sexy slogans and belly-baring clothes. A sexy 15 year old strikes me as refreshingly age-appropriate.

I got my period at 14.75. I owned lipstick, mascara and eyeliner by my senior year in high school, but tended to wear them on weekend evenings only. I can't remember the last time I wore any makeup now.


§ ita § - Apr 29, 2008 7:42:45 am PDT #4032 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh, Miley is apologising. Who knows if those are her words, though.

Well, I have lipstick on and seven earrings. Hopefully that will appease the goddess of femininity.


Hil R. - Apr 29, 2008 7:44:12 am PDT #4033 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

It's just because until now, Miley has had a little-girl image

I don't think her image has been little girl. It's been teenager, just a less sexual version of teenager. Like, on her show, there have been plot lines about dating and who likes whom, but not much beyond kissing and cuddling. And there have been rumors that she's dating Nick Jonas, another Disney kid. (When I was sick a few months ago, I ended up watching a Hannah Montana marathon, out of lack of energy to get up off the couch and find the remote. Weird show.)


Allyson - Apr 29, 2008 7:44:22 am PDT #4034 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

That's so weird, Sophia! Yeah, I think my mom figured if I was going to get the shittier part of growing up, I should get something I liked to even the score.