Hey! What do you two think you're doing? Fightin' at a time like this. You'll use up all the air!

Jayne ,'Out Of Gas'


Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Amy - Apr 29, 2008 7:34:44 am PDT #4028 of 10001
Because books.

Me three! Ten and a half. And while I didn't get to wear makeup then, I have been since 7th grade, too.


Jesse - Apr 29, 2008 7:35:07 am PDT #4029 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

How many people read fashion magazines, where many of the models are 15 and most of them got their start by 15 even if they are 19 now?

This is totally what I was going to say. It's just because until now, Miley has had a little-girl image -- it's not that we (as a culture) don't totally sexualize 15 year olds to sell product all the freaking time.

I spent most of the morning on a semi-work-related interesting project. I guess I need to dive back into my email box now.


Jars - Apr 29, 2008 7:36:46 am PDT #4030 of 10001

I think my main problem with the Miley Cyrus thing is that it sounds very like all the adults around her are making their opinions known, making it sound like she doesn't have a voice of her own. I have to say, I wish I'd had enough confidence in my body at fifteen to take semi nude shots.

I've never worn makeup though, weirdly.


flea - Apr 29, 2008 7:40:12 am PDT #4031 of 10001
information libertarian

I mean, the sexualized products geared towards my FOUR year old amaze me. The "makeup," the Bratz dolls, the shirts with sexy slogans and belly-baring clothes. A sexy 15 year old strikes me as refreshingly age-appropriate.

I got my period at 14.75. I owned lipstick, mascara and eyeliner by my senior year in high school, but tended to wear them on weekend evenings only. I can't remember the last time I wore any makeup now.


§ ita § - Apr 29, 2008 7:42:45 am PDT #4032 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh, Miley is apologising. Who knows if those are her words, though.

Well, I have lipstick on and seven earrings. Hopefully that will appease the goddess of femininity.


Hil R. - Apr 29, 2008 7:44:12 am PDT #4033 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

It's just because until now, Miley has had a little-girl image

I don't think her image has been little girl. It's been teenager, just a less sexual version of teenager. Like, on her show, there have been plot lines about dating and who likes whom, but not much beyond kissing and cuddling. And there have been rumors that she's dating Nick Jonas, another Disney kid. (When I was sick a few months ago, I ended up watching a Hannah Montana marathon, out of lack of energy to get up off the couch and find the remote. Weird show.)


Allyson - Apr 29, 2008 7:44:22 am PDT #4034 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

That's so weird, Sophia! Yeah, I think my mom figured if I was going to get the shittier part of growing up, I should get something I liked to even the score.


Jesse - Apr 29, 2008 7:45:20 am PDT #4035 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I don't think her image has been little girl. It's been teenager, just a less sexual version of teenager.

Yeah, I'm sure that's right. Not baby-ish, but not slutbag either.


Kat - Apr 29, 2008 7:47:51 am PDT #4036 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Don't forget: today is free ice cream at Ben and Jerry's!


Jars - Apr 29, 2008 7:48:06 am PDT #4037 of 10001

Who knows if those are her words, though.

Yeah, that's kind of what I got from it.

I got my period at eleven, and was kind of pissed off about it. I never understood girls who got excited about it.