Mal: You are very much lacking in imagination. Zoe: I imagine that's so, sir.

'Out Of Gas'


Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Fred Pete - Apr 29, 2008 7:13:50 am PDT #4017 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

Fred's drivel on the whole thing --

I haven't seen the Miley Cyrus photos and don't want to. Our niece is a big Hannah Montana fan. I've heard multiple descriptions of the photos. And the controversy feels manufactured by the folks that make their living out of saying that the country is going to the dogs.

If you're 15, you're thinking about sex. And wanting to explore the possibilities. A posed photo shoot for a national magazine raises issues to me that more candid snaps from paparazzi wouldn't -- even if the photos show the same thing. I'm not sure why -- maybe because the posed shoot is intended for public consumption while the paparazzi photos aren't.

Britney Spears was selling sex pretty much from "Baby One More Time." She just did it with a teasing innocent that, for those of us not particularly vulnerable to her charms, came across as extremely calculated and cynical even by the standards of pop culture.

And I'm not the expert because I don't have a daughter, but I'd probably okay a 12-year-old wearing a little makeup for a truly special occasion. A 15-year-old, almost certainly -- again, for special occasions. (Example: If she's in a wedding party, she deserves to look like a young woman.)

Not that this seems to add up to a coherent opinion,.


tommyrot - Apr 29, 2008 7:15:42 am PDT #4018 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

If you're 15, you're thinking about sex.

I didn't really start thinking about sex until I was 16.

Yeah, I think I hit puberty a bit later than most boys....


Kat - Apr 29, 2008 7:18:16 am PDT #4019 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

In other news of the weird: Farmers Wants a Wife? I guess it's only doable to do this as a reality show if the farmer resembles an abercrombie model.


Amy - Apr 29, 2008 7:19:03 am PDT #4020 of 10001
Because books.

And I'm not the expert because I don't have a daughter, but I'd probably okay a 12-year-old wearing a little makeup for a truly special occasion.

Working at the mall, I see a lot of girls in the 12-15 range wearing makeup. Which is the thing with girls that age -- mom may not okay it, but if mom isn't with you, it's a whole different story.


tommyrot - Apr 29, 2008 7:19:20 am PDT #4021 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Is this the most amazing thing ever? Or not?

[link]

...high-heeled shoes that easily transform from wobbly 3.25-inch stilettos to practical pumps with 1.5-inch heels


Hil R. - Apr 29, 2008 7:23:21 am PDT #4022 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Is this the most amazing thing ever? Or not?

I think they look kind of ugly in the low-heel mode.


§ ita § - Apr 29, 2008 7:23:22 am PDT #4023 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I seem to have no grey hair. That would show up like thin patches in my stubble, I guess. I haven't had the energy to bleach it again since my cutting snafu a few months ago.

The guy that collapsed yesterday was 62 years old. He immediately made me feel very protective of my parents, who are both a fair bit older. But they are in much better shape than he is. I'm so not prepared to deal with when they're not, but I figure I'm incredibly lucky that I have a mother that complains she does the aging for all the family and still looks good for 68. My dad's just a freak.

But I'm old too, dammit. I just hope not to be collapsing in the street.


Matt the Bruins fan - Apr 29, 2008 7:23:58 am PDT #4024 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

They pretty much predicted that with Jennifer Aniston's "Do Me Pump" spoof ad on The Edge back in the early 90s.


Allyson - Apr 29, 2008 7:27:48 am PDT #4025 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I think the "scandal" is ridiculous. I think it's partly media-manufactured, and partly mass hypocrisy - how many people let their 15 year olds, or their 12 year olds, wear makeup?

I got my period when I was 10. My mom took me to the drugstore andlet me pick out a blush and a mascara, which I thought was AWESOME. It made me feel a little bit better, anyway.


Sophia Brooks - Apr 29, 2008 7:31:57 am PDT #4026 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Weirdly Allyson, me too. Like, the whole story and the age and everything. And I pretty much have been wearing make-up daily, without fail, since I was in 7th grade.