Mal: I call you back? Wash: No, Mal. You didn't. Zoe: I take full responsibility, cap.

'Out Of Gas'


Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Hil R. - Apr 29, 2008 6:44:15 am PDT #4000 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Hey, cool. DC is getting a bike share program: [link] Wonder how well it'll work out.


brenda m - Apr 29, 2008 6:45:32 am PDT #4001 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Speaking of which, I really need to decide what I'm wearing to work. High of 76, to what does that translate?

Me hating you?

Sorry, probably not helpful.


Kat - Apr 29, 2008 6:45:33 am PDT #4002 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

A Disney spokeswoman, Patti McTeague, faulted Vanity Fair for the photo. "Unfortunately, as the article suggests, a situation was created to deliberately manipulate a 15-year-old in order to sell magazines," she said.

This statement irks me beyond reason. Of course Vanity Fair manipulates in order to sell magazines, in much the same way that Disney manipulates children to sell (and hell, to buy) shit.

I think the image is whatever. I think the tempest in the teapot about it is a result of Disney being pissed that they aren't controlling her image as well as they would like.


Jessica - Apr 29, 2008 6:47:34 am PDT #4003 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

a situation was created to deliberately manipulate a 15-year-old in order to sell magazines

As opposed to putting her on the cover of Disney magazine, which is a totally spontaneous event with no adult or corporate intervention at all.

@@ forever.


Amy - Apr 29, 2008 6:48:38 am PDT #4004 of 10001
Because books.

What Kat said.

I honestly think it's a lovely picture. And chances are she would show that much back in a dress on a red carpet anyway. It's a lot less provocative, to me, than Brooke saying nothing comes between her and her Calvins.


Cashmere - Apr 29, 2008 6:49:42 am PDT #4005 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

Thanks, amych. This is going to be very temporary as I'm taking the laptop in today.


Kat - Apr 29, 2008 6:52:03 am PDT #4006 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

On NPR, the reporter was talking about the response of the 10-15 year old set on some social network site. The reporter mentioned how they felt betrayed by the falls from grace that Lindsay and Britney took. And I kept thinking? What? How? They were into them when they were 5? That's ridiculous.


Jessica - Apr 29, 2008 6:53:39 am PDT #4007 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

chances are she would show that much back in a dress on a red carpet anyway

IMO, there's more to the photo than just the amount of skin, though. Wearing a strapless evening gown does not (necessarily) carry with it the context of "you could totally hit this" the way the vaseline-on-the-lens bedhead sex kitten pose does.


Kat - Apr 29, 2008 6:54:15 am PDT #4008 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

And hell:

how many people let their 15 year olds, or their 12 year olds, wear makeup?

Wasn't it here where we were talking about the mani-pedi-facial parties at salons and spas for the under 10 set? Sigh. People are irksome.


Amy - Apr 29, 2008 6:55:11 am PDT #4009 of 10001
Because books.

Yeah, I get that. I just ... It's a picture. A gorgeous one. And yes, she's fifteen, but I didn't get a huge sexual vibe from it. Maybe it's just me, but it just seems like a big uproar over not much.