Jayne, your mouth is talking. You might wanna look to that.

Mal ,'Serenity'


Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


shrift - Apr 29, 2008 6:07:30 am PDT #3980 of 10001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

I was thinking that Patrick is hot specifically because he is, like, a stealth hottie. Like, you don't know he's hot, and then, wham, there it is.

I have joked in the past that I went from "oh, hey, he's that dude in that one band, I think I like his voice" to "JESUS CHRIST, PATRICK STUMP, I WANT TO HAVE YOUR BABIES" pretty much overnight. I'm not entirely sure how it happened. I blame YouTube.


§ ita § - Apr 29, 2008 6:09:15 am PDT #3981 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

White is not an ethnicity. You can be white and fucking Latina. I mean, if you can be black and Latina, why can't you be white and Latina?

Any opinion on the Miley Cyrus/Annie Leibowitz kerfuffle? I have to say, I probably wouldn't let photos like that of my fifteen year old be published. I'm not sure how they didn't work out their inappopriateness at the time, even if they weren't digital photographs that were immediately reviewed.

Now I have to google the Jamie Curtis topless kerfuffle she refers to here. I disagree with her--I don't think there's anything wrong with a fifteen year old coming to terms with her burgeoning sexuality, but that's not the same as portraying it as part of your publicity package. Just because it turned out okay for Jodie Foster and Brooke Shields doesn't mean it wasn't creepy.


Jessica - Apr 29, 2008 6:11:38 am PDT #3982 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I have to say, I probably wouldn't let photos like that of my fifteen year old be published. I'm not sure how they didn't work out their inappopriateness at the time, even if they weren't digital photographs that were immediately reviewed.

That's pretty much my take. If it were my daughter, she'd have her top on, end of story.


Nutty - Apr 29, 2008 6:19:07 am PDT #3983 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

The creepiest part of the Younger Cyrus thing is that her topless photoshoot included her father. I mean, I haven't seen topless + father in the same picture, but. Way to foreground the creepy!

The image in question strikes me as classic Leibowitz, i.e. lovely; but the kind of thing that, once you know the context, i.e. the subject is underaged, the loveliness is a little appalling.


Sophia Brooks - Apr 29, 2008 6:24:01 am PDT #3984 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I agree with Nutty- I am more creeped out by the incesty vibe than the topless young woman vibe.

Shrift- someone's journal has the a tagline something like "at 6:58, I was never going to love another band, and at 7:35 I was googling pictures of Pete Wentz's cock". That is sort of how I feel about Patrick.


Hil R. - Apr 29, 2008 6:25:42 am PDT #3985 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Yeah, what bothers me about that image isn't that it's topless, but that it's a fairly sexual image -- wrapped in bedsheet, mussed-up hair, bright lipstick, and so on. And it's not so much that it's a sexual fifteen-year-old, but that this fifteen-year-old's sexuality is being spotlighted in a photo shoot totally orchestrated by adults. (There have also been some photos recently of her goofing around with friends, that had some shots of her lying across a guy's lap and pulling aside her tank top to show her bra strap and some other stuff like that, and I've got much less problem with those, because they seemed like her just being a kid.)


Sparky1 - Apr 29, 2008 6:26:05 am PDT #3986 of 10001
Librarian Warlord

I thought I read somewhere that her parents had left for the day during the topless part of the photo shoot, but that her tutor and grandmother were still there.


§ ita § - Apr 29, 2008 6:26:26 am PDT #3987 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I found this which seems to be the end-all of the Curtis topless kerfuffle, and really? People cared? Don't get me wrong--I think she looks majorly hot, but why is that a big deal? There's no scandal there!

Then I read on...

"I've let my hair go gray. I wear only black and white. Every year I buy three or four black dresses that I just keep in rotation. I own one pair of blue jeans. I've given away all my jewelry, because I don't wear it," she says.

Huh. Wearing only black and white is an interesting choice. That I could never make. Same with the one pair of blue jeans. Does she just do laundry all the time?

Reminds me--reading magazines in doctor's offices yesterday morning they showed Ellen Barkin's taste in dresses--I forget the designer, but they showed her in four versions of exactly the same dress, just different colours. Nicely enough they were giving her props for knowing exactly what flattered her.


§ ita § - Apr 29, 2008 6:28:12 am PDT #3988 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I am more creeped out by the incesty vibe than the topless young woman vibe

Ah, see, I'd read nothing about her father's direct involvement in the provocative (wow, it's hard for me not to type provocateuse there) photos. Just that the pictures were vetted on the spot.


sarameg - Apr 29, 2008 6:28:45 am PDT #3989 of 10001

Disney's having a hell of a time with its child stars. Course, this scandal is pretty mild, comparatively.

There's a robin building a nest right outside my window!