"Selling a long prison term, to someone uninterested in the product."
I'm all up in the law now, but damn it feels good to get my violence on.
Gunn ,'Unleashed'
Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
erikaj - Apr 08, 2008 10:40:53 am PDT #356 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!
tommyrot - Apr 08, 2008 10:41:53 am PDT #357 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Oh. Well, I was basing my confusion on the original description of it, which said that if you both keep quiet, you both walk:
Oh yeah, I should have mentioned earlier that was not the way I understand it....
Frankenbuddha - Apr 08, 2008 10:42:34 am PDT #358 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Frank can make you say anything.
Why didn't somebody tell me?
tommyrot - Apr 08, 2008 10:42:56 am PDT #359 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Frank made us not tell you.
Laga - Apr 08, 2008 10:43:42 am PDT #360 of 10001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
Ephesians, those are the guys that always lie. Unless I am being wrong again.
Are you thinking of Epimenides Paradox?
-t - Apr 08, 2008 10:43:44 am PDT #361 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
You are totally right, MM. I garbled it all up. But the cartel thing is right.
Eta: yes, Laga, I must be. I'm going to take my wrong-remembering full-of-wrong information brain out to lunch, now, before I mislead again.
erikaj - Apr 08, 2008 10:44:45 am PDT #362 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!
"crime makes you stupid."
CaBil - Apr 08, 2008 10:45:47 am PDT #363 of 10001
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.
The Prisoner's Dilemma can be solved under Tit for Tat under one condition, which is multiple trials.
In that you have just one run through, one time you answer the question, but that you (and you're fellow prisoner) are repeatedly asked questions, and you are told after each decision what your current prison sentence is, and so you knew whether your fellow prisoner has informed on you or not. It also assumes that the your information is true (no police lying.)
It's a logical representation of the problem of long-term interaction. Why do people cooperate as compared to screwing each other every chance they get. The id/super-ego, cooperative/competitive axis of human interaction.
lisah - Apr 08, 2008 10:48:50 am PDT #364 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate
So the prisoners know up front what will happen if they talk or don't talk?
CaBil - Apr 08, 2008 10:50:58 am PDT #365 of 10001
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.
Before Tit for Tat was worked out back in the very early 80s, there was no reliable way of modeling social behavior, ie communities over the long term. And quite frankly, social scientists were getting fairly depressed because it seemed that people were going to be pricks and that we were all doomed.
But in comparison to other solutions, Tit for Tat was an optimal, simple solution out of the Hobbesian representations of humanity towards Rousseau. Or at least Locke.