So the prisoners know up front what will happen if they talk or don't talk?
Could just be a hoax, though. I fake some headaches, everyone gets used to poor helpless Spike. Then one day, no warning, I snap a spine, bend a head back, drain 'em dry. Brilliant.
Spike ,'Potential'
Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
lisah - Apr 08, 2008 10:48:50 am PDT #364 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate
CaBil - Apr 08, 2008 10:50:58 am PDT #365 of 10001
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.
Before Tit for Tat was worked out back in the very early 80s, there was no reliable way of modeling social behavior, ie communities over the long term. And quite frankly, social scientists were getting fairly depressed because it seemed that people were going to be pricks and that we were all doomed.
But in comparison to other solutions, Tit for Tat was an optimal, simple solution out of the Hobbesian representations of humanity towards Rousseau. Or at least Locke.
tommyrot - Apr 08, 2008 10:51:38 am PDT #366 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
It's a logical representation of the problem of long-term interaction. Why do people cooperate as compared to screwing each other every chance they get.
Yeah. I've heard the Prisoners' Dilemma used to explain why there are so many asshole drivers in big cities. In a small town, it's like the multiple iteration of the Prisoners' Dilemma, so drivers that, say, regularly cut people off will soon find other drivers doing the same to them. But in a large city, a driver is essentially anonymous (in that other drivers will probably never see the driver again) so it's like the single iteration of the Prisoners Dilemma, so it makes sense (in a selfish way) to cut off other drivers so you can get ahead.
CaBil - Apr 08, 2008 10:54:23 am PDT #367 of 10001
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.
lisah, yep, and they know what the other decides.
Let me see...
Wiki: Conditions for Tit for Tat
1. Unless provoked, the agent/prisoner will always cooperate
2. If provoked, the agent/prisoner will retaliate
3. The agent/prisoner is quick to forgive
4. The agent/prisoner must have a good chance of competing against the opponent more than once.
A fifth condition applies to make the competition meaningful: if an agent knows that the next play will be the last, it should naturally defect for a higher score. Similarly if it knows that the next two plays will be the last, it should defect twice, and so on. Therefore the number of competitions must not be known in advance to the agents.
shrift - Apr 08, 2008 10:57:28 am PDT #368 of 10001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty
Threadless has a retail store in Chicago.
I did not know that.
Aims - Apr 08, 2008 11:03:02 am PDT #369 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.
ita! Our song just came on my playlist!
Polter-Cow - Apr 08, 2008 11:04:40 am PDT #370 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
I've heard the Prisoners' Dilemma used to explain why there are so many asshole drivers in big cities. In a small town, it's like the multiple iteration of the Prisoners' Dilemma, so drivers that, say, regularly cut people off will soon find other drivers doing the same to them. But in a large city, a driver is essentially anonymous (in that other drivers will probably never see the driver again) so it's like the single iteration of the Prisoners Dilemma, so it makes sense (in a selfish way) to cut off other drivers so you can get ahead.
Whoa, that makes total sense. Except for the danger part.
Threadless has a retail store in Chicago.
I did not know that.
Dude.
Sophia Brooks - Apr 08, 2008 11:04:46 am PDT #371 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
My Brain Hurts now.
P.M. Marc - Apr 08, 2008 11:06:21 am PDT #372 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
From yesterday...
PMM might know it, because it is not that far a shot from Evergreen.
Aww, man. Has it gone that far downhill? It didn't used to suck! That much, at least.
Or I was, you know, in college and had a cast-iron stomach or something.
msbelle - Apr 08, 2008 11:15:33 am PDT #373 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
what was the last movie you all saw? (people at work are having discussions, I want something else to focus on)