Willow: It feels like we're going around in circles. Xander: Our circles are going around in circles. We got dizzy circles here.

'Sleeper'


Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jesse - Apr 17, 2008 8:10:46 am PDT #2405 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

They've changed, since they retired, and now we the kids are all wondering about their finances, because they're prone to extravagances they never would undertake when we were young.

Well, now they're supporting two instead of seven, right? That would free up quite a bit of dough!


Jessica - Apr 17, 2008 8:19:25 am PDT #2406 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

My parents fall into that bracket, and I'd still consider them middle class (upper middle class, but still). I think it really depends on where you live.

I mean, if this:

Sen. Obama’s definition was families earning an income below $75,000.

is accurate (and I haven't double checked), I'm priced out of the middle-class too, and I'm living paycheck to paycheck in a 2-bedroom apartment.


Consuela - Apr 17, 2008 8:22:53 am PDT #2407 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

That would free up quite a bit of dough!

Right! And yet, it still feels weird to have Dad grab the check on a $200 dinner, you know?

I agree that Clinton's definition of middle-class is too broad, and Obama's too narrow. I'm not quite paycheck-to-paycheck, but I'm about two months from catastrophe as a homeowner in the Bay Area.


shrift - Apr 17, 2008 8:23:20 am PDT #2408 of 10001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Dude. I guess I'm hanging on to lower middle-class by my fingernails.


tommyrot - Apr 17, 2008 8:23:59 am PDT #2409 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Wow.

California freefall: Home prices down 26% in February

Signs of distress are piling up in the California housing market, where prices are falling at three times the national rate of decline.

Statewide, median sales prices fell by a stunning 26% from year-ago levels in February, with home prices dropping at a rate of nearly $3,000 a week, the California Association of Realtors reports. Further, the CAR says the Fed's interest rate-cutting campaign "will have little near-term direct effect on the housing market."

In the San Fernando Valley, losing a home to foreclosure is now almost as common for families as buying a home. The L.A. Daily News: "During January and February, there were 1,084 foreclosures and 1,335 sales of houses and condos in Valley communities from Glendale to Calabasas, according to the San Fernando Valley Economic Research Center at California State University, Northridge."

"It's bad. It's really bad," market analyst Nima Nattagh told the Daily News.

The California Association of Realtors reports median prices fell 27.2% from year-ago levels in the hard-hit Inland Empire east of Los Angeles, 30.9% in Sacramento, and 39.1% in Santa Barbara County.

Shit.


Polter-Cow - Apr 17, 2008 8:25:58 am PDT #2410 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Wow. So...I should totally buy a house! Soon, I will be able to buy one for five dollars!


Consuela - Apr 17, 2008 8:26:09 am PDT #2411 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

::sigh::

And here I am trying to get a refinance. Argh.


Jessica - Apr 17, 2008 8:26:40 am PDT #2412 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Between daycare and rising food prices, we're clinging desperately to every last dollar that comes in. It's fucking ridiculous how much it costs to feed 3 people one of whom eats less than a full cup of food a day in this city.


Gudanov - Apr 17, 2008 8:28:10 am PDT #2413 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

Clinton has 98.5% of households Middle Class or lower. Obama has about 75% of households Middle Class or lower. I think it is really hard to go with Clinton's number. Obama's may be statistically reasonable, but where you live would really throws wrench into his number.


Hayden - Apr 17, 2008 8:29:01 am PDT #2414 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I hear you, Jessica. And Austin's a lot more affordable than NYC.