That's disturbing. You're emotionally scarred and will end up badly.

Anya ,'Bring On The Night'


Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Apr 14, 2008 9:38:57 am PDT #1655 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Are parents really as fearful about letting their kids out of sight as this article suggests?

Why I Let My 9-Year-Old Ride the Subway Alone

And he did. He came home on the subway and bus by himself.

Anyway, for weeks my boy had been begging for me to please leave him somewhere, anywhere, and let him try to figure out how to get home on his own. So on that sunny Sunday I gave him a subway map, a MetroCard, a $20 bill, and several quarters, just in case he had to make a call.

...

Long story short: My son got home, ecstatic with independence.

Long story longer, and analyzed, to boot: Half the people I’ve told this episode to now want to turn me in for child abuse. As if keeping kids under lock and key and helmet and cell phone and nanny and surveillance is the right way to rear kids. It’s not. It’s debilitating — for us and for them.

And yet —

“How would you have felt if he didn’t come home?” a New Jersey mom of four, Vicki Garfinkle, asked.

Guess what, Ms. Garfinkle: I’d have been devastated. But would that just prove that no mom should ever let her child ride the subway alone?

No. It would just be one more awful but extremely rare example of random violence, the kind that hyper parents cite as proof that every day in every way our children are more and more vulnerable.

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These days, when a kid dies, the world — i.e., cable TV — blames the parents. It’s simple as that. And yet, Trevor Butterworth, a spokesman for the research center STATS.org, said, “The statistics show that this is an incredibly rare event, and you can’t protect people from very rare events. It would be like trying to create a shield against being struck by lightning.”

Justice Department data actually show the number of children abducted by strangers has been going down over the years. So why not let your kids get home from school by themselves?

“Parents are in the grip of anxiety and when you’re anxious, you’re totally warped,” the author of “A Nation of Wimps,” Hara Estroff Marano, said. We become so bent out of shape over something as simple as letting your children out of sight on the playground that it starts seeming on par with letting them play on the railroad tracks at night. In the rain. In dark non-reflective coats.

The problem with this everything-is-dangerous outlook is that over-protectiveness is a danger in and of itself. A child who thinks he can’t do anything on his own eventually can’t.


Ginger - Apr 14, 2008 9:41:06 am PDT #1656 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

DH's philosophy is that our species has spent nearly 4 million years trying to get OUT of nature.

In a state of nature, there is "no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short." (Hobbes)


tommyrot - Apr 14, 2008 9:44:36 am PDT #1657 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

In a state of nature, there is "no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short." (Hobbes)

But what does Calvin say?


bon bon - Apr 14, 2008 9:45:17 am PDT #1658 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

If anyone hasn't seen the montage of David Caruso's blackout lines while taking off his sunglasses, YOU NEED TO. It is amazing: [link]

ita, I lost my copying of your question to the Caruso link, but I'm not positive. My unresearched answer would probably be that if, by providing the safe deposit numbers you knew the object of the conspiracy was to rob a bank, then yes, it's possible to be charged with felony murder. Aiding and abetting, that I'm not sure about.


Kristen - Apr 14, 2008 9:47:40 am PDT #1659 of 10001

Was it Jim Carrey who did the Caruso impression on Letterman?

ETA: Yes, it was!


Dana - Apr 14, 2008 9:48:23 am PDT #1660 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

We become so bent out of shape over something as simple as letting your children out of sight on the playground that it starts seeming on par with letting them play on the railroad tracks at night. In the rain. In dark non-reflective coats.

Uh, I'm not sure letting your kid out of sight on a playground is the same thing as letting a nine-year-old kid loose in New York City. But IANAParent, I guess.


Jessica - Apr 14, 2008 9:54:05 am PDT #1661 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Most of the people I know who grew up here were riding the subway alone by 9 years-old. (Especially if they were attending a school in the opposite direction of both parents' workplaces.)


Kristen - Apr 14, 2008 9:54:05 am PDT #1662 of 10001

I can't remember the age at which I was allowed to take the subway alone. Maybe 12?

I took the bus alone much younger than that. It was how I got to/from school.


Allyson - Apr 14, 2008 9:57:02 am PDT #1663 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Justice Department data actually show the number of children abducted by strangers has been going down over the years. So why not let your kids get home from school by themselves?

I dunno. Maybe the number is dwindling because parents pack the pale, fragile little pickles into the bullet-proof SVU and have them tagged with GPS.

Possible.


Nora Deirdre - Apr 14, 2008 9:57:19 am PDT #1664 of 10001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

I took the bus alone much younger than that. It was how I got to/from school.

My sister and I took the city bus to school in elementary school. When we went to a public neighborhood school, we walked by ourselves.