Mal: That's not what I saw. You like to tell me what really happened? Book: I surely would. And maybe someday I will.

'Safe'


Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


bon bon - Apr 14, 2008 8:14:29 am PDT #1618 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

There's two different theories of liability at work here. It sounds like in Cold Case that the murder was intentional. In that case, everyone is liable through vicarious liability theories like conspiracy or aiding/abetting. The actual perpetrator may be punished differently but it's true that the liability is the same. I imagine they are trying to find the perpetrator to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they did it.

Felony murder involves an unintended killing. An accidental death is bumped up to a murder if it occurs during the commission of a felony. And presumably vicarious theories might apply there too, though actually they don't have to-- you were robbing a bank and a death occurred, so felony murder; there doesn't have to be a conspiracy element.

ETA: now I remember. My crim law professor was particularly incensed about using vicarious liability to put someone on death row-- so not only did they not intend the death, they didn't even principally commit the felony. If the bank manager has a heart attack, the getaway driver can get the chair. It's incredibly unjust but there's no one out there to change the law.


Emily - Apr 14, 2008 8:14:43 am PDT #1619 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Oh, Iceland. How full you are of tricky legal maneuverers.

And I just listened to the Muppet Show song in Hebrew and it, was, of course, as FG as beagles. Which I've decided to make a new saying.

Also, none of my skirts fit anymore because I lost weight. And I had really nice skirts, darnit! I'm really annoyed.

Oh, and is anyone else watching NCIS during the weekly binges? I think I'm just about over it, what with Mark Harmon being not so much curmudgeonly as an asshole, and the new director being ridiculously disrespected, and the lack of constitutional protections, and -- oh yes -- the plots not making much sense. But I love Abby and Ducky! And McGee, to some extent! Can't I have a show with just them? And even Zeva, if necessary?


brenda m - Apr 14, 2008 8:15:31 am PDT #1620 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Ok, I had to go look. Apparently, felony murder in fact counts as an aggravating factor all by itself for elevation to capital crime status, and is in fact the most often used factor to get someone to death row. (Next most is multiple murders.) Huh.

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Dana - Apr 14, 2008 8:15:59 am PDT #1621 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I think I'm just about over it, what with Mark Harmon being not so much curmudgeonly as an asshole, and the new director being ridiculously disrespected, and the lack of constitutional protections, and -- oh yes -- the plots not making much sense. But I love Abby and Ducky! And McGee, to some extent! Can't I have a show with just them? And even Zeva, if necessary?

That's pretty much how I feel about the show, though I do kind of like Tony, especially when he's getting kicked around by Ziva. I could kind of do without the actual show, though.


Nilly - Apr 14, 2008 8:27:32 am PDT #1622 of 10001
Swouncing

it's a similar conflict of how to walk the line when you're making each choice yourself. If that makes sense.

Of course it makes sense.

In a way, it easy in Judaism, for example, because you have all these million tiny rules about each and every item of clothing (you can't believe how specific they can get). However, there are always new ways of clothes and wearing them, and the rules are always at least a step behind the actual clothes people are wearing, and then you have to try and figure out what's the "spirit of the rule" and follow that, in the absence of an actual rule.

I started to buy skirts lately

More than the one I recently saw? And did you get to fix that one?

she made her husband a shirt and told him to put it on without looking at it. He put it on, and everyone saw it was a women's-style shirt, and thus the woman could divorce her husband, with damages, for transvestism.

Is it wrong that I imagine Anya doing that? With her not-yet-troll husband, of course? Because now I do.

If I were clever enough, I'd find a way to tie this clever little legal plot to the legal conversation overlapping this one. But, oh, well.


Jesse - Apr 14, 2008 8:30:23 am PDT #1623 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

If I were clever enough, I'd find a way to tie this clever little legal plot to the legal conversation overlapping this one.

Ha. What if the husband DIED because of wearing the lady-clothes!?!?


JZ - Apr 14, 2008 8:34:02 am PDT #1624 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Nilly, Matilda has found your F2F avatar.


Nilly - Apr 14, 2008 8:34:06 am PDT #1625 of 10001
Swouncing

And I just listened to the Muppet Show song in Hebrew and it, was, of course, as FG as beagles. Which I've decided to make a new saying.

Oh, now I wonder if that's the version I know. I think somebody on b.org linked once to another version. There could never be too much Muppets.

What if the husband DIED because of wearing the lady-clothes!?!?

He tripped on the hemline of the skirt? He got stuck in a too-tight shirt and couldn't breath? He slipped on a high heal? Oh, the possibilities!


Shir - Apr 14, 2008 8:36:09 am PDT #1626 of 10001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

More than the one I recently saw? And did you get to fix that one?

No and no. I just called Gal to ask when I'll be able to bring it to her (I think you might know her - she started her stage design studies this year, a friend of Chen's?), but she didn't answer. And still, I don't have the shoes to wear skirts with.


Allyson - Apr 14, 2008 8:36:58 am PDT #1627 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I got a bunch of Popular Science magazines from the 1940s at the swap meet, including one with the cover story EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT TELEVISION. Lots of ads about which cigarettes doctors recommend, and advice on line drying your pantyhose. Also, many advertisements about various wonderful inventions thatare helping our troops BEAT THOSE JAPS.

Amazing shit. I got my boss one about the US building an additional moon, and the physics of creating a human bullet.