Angel: Yeah, I never told anyone about this, but I-I liked your poems. Spike: You like Barry Manilow.

'Hell Bound'


Spike's Bitches 40: Buckle Up, Kids! Daddy's Puttin' the Hammer Down.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


meara - May 07, 2008 12:06:27 pm PDT #8154 of 10001

I'm listening to this story on transgender kids

Oh man. I just *read* the story, rather than listen to it, and that's so upsetting, the poor kid having his toys taken away and told he can't like pink, and all that jazz. YEESH.

I mean, I don't think that we should be labeling kids as transgender at age 3 necessarily, but....until you get to puberty and hormones and all that, nothing is irreversible!! So today he wants to be she and wear a dress, great. Maybe it's a phase, and the kid'll grow out of it and be totally normal by age 8. Maybe it's a phase and the kid isn't transgender, but is just gay, and is having a hard time identifying with the stereotypes of masculinity and femininity s/he is seeing presented (ie, it's ok to be a swishy boy, or a softball playing girl, but sometimes kids don't get that if they dont' see it, and just go whole hog to "I wanna be [other gender]". But seriously! Just let the kid do it, and it won't fuck him or her up like enforcing gender sterotypes will! Save yourself the therapy money!


Glamcookie - May 07, 2008 12:06:47 pm PDT #8155 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Wow. I just keep thinking, how awful for the kid whose parents and therapist are forcing him to give up everything "girl"-related -- he's growing up being told by literally everyone that, at his very core, he is fundamentally *wrong.*

That's heart-breaking.

Yes. I can't imagine watching my child suffer like that and forcing him to hide who he is. He'll never trust his parents as he gets older.


Typo Boy - May 07, 2008 12:06:48 pm PDT #8156 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

No, Gar is in Olympia Wa. Was i Portland Or at one point, but no longer. Did visit Eugene - looked like a very pretty town , but active with lots to do as well. Not there long enough to be certain about the last part.


Vortex - May 07, 2008 12:08:23 pm PDT #8157 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

yes, we have the frappr. But, I cant figure out how to move myself.


Steph L. - May 07, 2008 12:08:29 pm PDT #8158 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Wow. I just keep thinking, how awful for the kid whose parents and therapist are forcing him to give up everything "girl"-related -- he's growing up being told by literally everyone that, at his very core, he is fundamentally *wrong.*

I want to smack that therapist so hard right now. That poor, poor kid.

And then, I think, parents just want what's best for their kids, and I can't fault parents who don't want their kid to go through years of hell being tormented for being trans. Or killed for it.

The whole thing sucks so badly.


Vortex - May 07, 2008 12:11:47 pm PDT #8159 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I think that if I had a transgendered kid, I wouldn't try to stop them from playing with opposite sex toys, but I would insist on some equal time for "gender appropriate" toys.


meara - May 07, 2008 12:15:42 pm PDT #8160 of 10001

I think that if I had a transgendered kid, I wouldn't try to stop them from playing with opposite sex toys, but I would insist on some equal time for "gender appropriate" toys.

Well, and I feel bad, because clearly those parents mean well, and were willing to let their son play with barbies and all, so they're just following what the supposed "expert" is doing.

I'm also wondering why he has this cutoff of ten years old. At nine it's OK to train them out of it, but at eleven, the kid knows their mind?? WTF?


omnis_audis - May 07, 2008 12:17:17 pm PDT #8161 of 10001
omnis, pursue. That's an order from a shy woman who can use M-16. - Shir

Happy Birthday GC!!!!

Kristin, that is great news!

I agree, at that age, it might just be a phase. And wouldn't that much NEGATIVE attention to the issue just push the kid more into it, to rebel? I dunno. I think the whole "no cookies" thing. Then again, I am not a parent. Either way, sad.

ok, all the time I have for. Busy day at work, AND it seems a pressure valve might have been released from my head-explodeyness. I might be able to report some stuff.


§ ita § - May 07, 2008 12:26:05 pm PDT #8162 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The Frappr map is still about. Gus's is still live too, but it's more limited in terms of countries covered.


megan walker - May 07, 2008 12:32:34 pm PDT #8163 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Anyone interested in a very sweet movie about this should check out Ma vie en rose.

Which I highly recommend in general.