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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Apr 03, 2008 2:40:04 am PDT #9063 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Watching a bit on statistics, and they're talking about experimental probability. I know I'm just drowning myself in a sea of statistics, but if Scottie Pippen is shooting 83% at the free throw line for the season, but 75% for the game, does it really mean he's even likely to make a free throw next time he gets sent to the line? (By even more I'm assuming them mean >83%)

Semantically I guess the experimental probability he'll make it is higher than 83%, whereas as a pessimistic fan I figure he's having an off night and is going to pull his numbers down.

Heh. (I say 'Heh' because I was just thinking about your first question the other day.)

Somewhere I read something by a statistician that the whole notion of 'winning streaks', etc. in sports is an illusion - nothing but random variences in some probability-dependent outcome. (i.e. along the lines of the idea that if you flip a coin enough times, you'll occasionally end up with stuff like ten heads in a row). But I dunno - the thing we call a 'streak' occurs so much in sports - you hear stuff about athletes being "in the zone" in some psychological sense than can give them a streak off success, etc. But then I wonder how, mathematically, you could prove that there' more involved in just random chance when, say, a basketball team has a 'run' of, say, 15 unanswered points in a game.

if Scottie Pippen is shooting 83% at the free throw line for the season, but 75% for the game, does it really mean he's even likely to make a free throw next time he gets sent to the line? (By even more I'm assuming them mean >83%)

Nuh-uh.

OK, let's say Scottie's free throw % is exactly 83% at the beginning of the game in question. Now lets say in the game he makes 9 out of 12, giving him a 75% for the night. In a strictly probabilistic sense, you would not expect him to do better than 83% "make up" for the lower than 83% run he just had. (Are you familiar with the "random walk" idea in probability?)

OK, let's say that when we now look at Scottie's free throw %, taking into account the current game, it would now be, say, 82.998%. We would now expect (in a probabilistic sense) that he would continue to shoot at 82.998% overall, as this is now his shooting %, (taking into account all the available data). Of course, even in a purely probabilistic sense, there'd still be random variations, so we'd expect that new % to fluctuate up and down as well. But assuming no change in Scottie, his shooting % would tend to converge around his actual probability of getting a free throw, even if that probability is unknown (i.e. his shooting % based on his actual playing would converge around his (unknown) probability of getting a free throw, due to the sample size getting larger and larger).

Of course, all this is based on a theoretical idea of his making and missing shots being a purely random phenomena, ignoring the actual complexity of the real world (he might be in a bad mood on the night when he makes 75%, etc).


tommyrot - Apr 03, 2008 2:40:57 am PDT #9064 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Birthday Happies for Tom!!


Lee - Apr 03, 2008 2:47:07 am PDT #9065 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Happy Birthday Tom!


Jesse - Apr 03, 2008 2:53:12 am PDT #9066 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Happy birthday, Tom!!


billytea - Apr 03, 2008 2:53:55 am PDT #9067 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Happy birthday Tom!


Tom Scola - Apr 03, 2008 3:10:00 am PDT #9068 of 10001
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

Thanks, everyone!

billytea, did you see this? A fish with forward-facing eyes has been discovered in Indonesia.


hippocampus - Apr 03, 2008 3:16:04 am PDT #9069 of 10001
not your mom's socks.

I love both San Francisco and New York. And I have affection for Los Angeles, Boston and Philly too. And DC!

psst: pass it on - JavaChick loves everyone.

{{Plei}}

Sarameg - the thoughts you're thinking are wise... it is good to have the conversation, and to keep having it. We're on round... 17? I think. Progress. But no "big house, lots of maintenance" resolution yet. I keep bringing up Sparky's parents as a good example. My sister is helpful on the phone, but nsm in person (12-18 hour flight), so we're the first line there. And DH's parents retired to Ohio at least in part to take care of his grandmother (and to entertain us with complaints about the snow), so I think we are going to be pulled in lots of directions in the future.

Which brings up the big bad of only having one child (not related in my mind, but in my moms? Very. Granted, seeing an ad for laundry detergent sometimes reminds her that she should mention to me that she wants more grandkids.) - or not. Am I setting up my single sprog to shoulder a whole bunch of burdens alone? blah blah dramacakes...


Aims - Apr 03, 2008 3:30:34 am PDT #9070 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TOM SCOLA!!

We love you. *smooch*


Miracleman - Apr 03, 2008 3:33:13 am PDT #9071 of 10001
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Happy Birthday, Tom!

In other news 5th Grader Corrects the Smithsonian

I thought it was funny.


brenda m - Apr 03, 2008 3:46:35 am PDT #9072 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Hey Victor, lose someone?