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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


lisah - Mar 20, 2008 8:45:26 am PDT #6199 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate

Still sending the ~ma for your niece, Scrappy.

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lisah - Mar 20, 2008 9:05:43 am PDT #6200 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate

Flight of the Conchords fans (Matilda!) need to get the new issue of Bust.

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Nutty - Mar 20, 2008 9:06:08 am PDT #6201 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

You must have made a killing shorting the "reality tv-based strategies" fund.

Yes! When Survivor went on the air for the first time, I sold rats and snakes wholesale and made my first billion.


Typo Boy - Mar 20, 2008 9:07:19 am PDT #6202 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

OK - but the subprime crisis is not just about subprime. It is simply that the poorest get hit by this stuff first. In general assets were overvalued. A lot of people who are not poor, and who got good mortgages still owe more on their house then their house is worth. In the last month we have numbers for 40% of default notices went to be people either in the prime market, or in the various markets between prime and subprime. And lots of assets besides mortages are overvalued and overleveraged


Tom Scola - Mar 20, 2008 9:10:39 am PDT #6203 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

There's a heart-rending story in the Times about people whose million-dollar homes are being foreclosed: [link]


msbelle - Mar 20, 2008 9:11:32 am PDT #6204 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

scrappy - my thoughts with you and your family.


bon bon - Mar 20, 2008 9:14:56 am PDT #6205 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Tommy, do you have evidence that the credit crunch is directly caused by mortgage brokers failing to verify employment? It's not. It's not because of widespread wrongdoing by mortgage brokers, like some kind of conspiracy. Leaving aside whether this guy's behavior in a deposition is in any way related to the claims in the lawsuit, Bear's collapse, the litigation against Merrill, Lehman's freeze-out in the credit markets were not caused by that. Major market shifts are often blamed post hoc on some kind of moral failing, because that explanation seems to make sense to voters and newspaper readers. But it doesn't really work that way. In this case, the default rate of subprime loans was assumed to be the same as it always was. When that changed-- even slightly-- the entire market got cold feet and banks heavily invested in those instruments-- or trading with counterparties that invested in those instruments-- found they were severely illiquid, because they couldn't value those investments with confidence. A loss of confidence in major market players has ripple effects that effectively shut off the credit tap, meaning deals can't get done and no one wants to be in the market. But I assure you, it was not related to some kind of mendacious conspiracy on the loan-writing level. It was a miscalculation of risk. It's a simple run on the bank.


Typo Boy - Mar 20, 2008 9:22:29 am PDT #6206 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I think there were failings. (I'll let you decide to what extent they were "moral" failings.) We used to have regulatory structures to prevent this sort of thing: many of them were repealed under Clinton, and further weakened under Bush. Too much market worship. Too much, "he governs best who governs least". Bankers and financial markets need tough regulation; weakening those regulations is never good for anybody, including the banks and financial institutions.


tommyrot - Mar 20, 2008 9:23:46 am PDT #6207 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

So high-risk mortgages get packaged up and sold as AAA securities, with no mendaciousness involved? Huh. How about that.


Nutty - Mar 20, 2008 9:25:17 am PDT #6208 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

It was a miscalculation of risk. It's a simple run on the bank.

I... guess I call this the dumb part of the equation. I'm aware I'm more risk-averse than most, but I thought the whole point of gambling was to be able to cover your bets. Why is it that risk-miscalculations always tend to favor the riskier bet?