Pretty cool except for the part where I was really terrified and now my knees are all dizzy.

Willow ,'Never Leave Me'


Natter 57 Varieties  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Tom Scola - Mar 20, 2008 9:10:39 am PDT #6203 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

There's a heart-rending story in the Times about people whose million-dollar homes are being foreclosed: [link]


msbelle - Mar 20, 2008 9:11:32 am PDT #6204 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

scrappy - my thoughts with you and your family.


bon bon - Mar 20, 2008 9:14:56 am PDT #6205 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Tommy, do you have evidence that the credit crunch is directly caused by mortgage brokers failing to verify employment? It's not. It's not because of widespread wrongdoing by mortgage brokers, like some kind of conspiracy. Leaving aside whether this guy's behavior in a deposition is in any way related to the claims in the lawsuit, Bear's collapse, the litigation against Merrill, Lehman's freeze-out in the credit markets were not caused by that. Major market shifts are often blamed post hoc on some kind of moral failing, because that explanation seems to make sense to voters and newspaper readers. But it doesn't really work that way. In this case, the default rate of subprime loans was assumed to be the same as it always was. When that changed-- even slightly-- the entire market got cold feet and banks heavily invested in those instruments-- or trading with counterparties that invested in those instruments-- found they were severely illiquid, because they couldn't value those investments with confidence. A loss of confidence in major market players has ripple effects that effectively shut off the credit tap, meaning deals can't get done and no one wants to be in the market. But I assure you, it was not related to some kind of mendacious conspiracy on the loan-writing level. It was a miscalculation of risk. It's a simple run on the bank.


Typo Boy - Mar 20, 2008 9:22:29 am PDT #6206 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I think there were failings. (I'll let you decide to what extent they were "moral" failings.) We used to have regulatory structures to prevent this sort of thing: many of them were repealed under Clinton, and further weakened under Bush. Too much market worship. Too much, "he governs best who governs least". Bankers and financial markets need tough regulation; weakening those regulations is never good for anybody, including the banks and financial institutions.


tommyrot - Mar 20, 2008 9:23:46 am PDT #6207 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

So high-risk mortgages get packaged up and sold as AAA securities, with no mendaciousness involved? Huh. How about that.


Nutty - Mar 20, 2008 9:25:17 am PDT #6208 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

It was a miscalculation of risk. It's a simple run on the bank.

I... guess I call this the dumb part of the equation. I'm aware I'm more risk-averse than most, but I thought the whole point of gambling was to be able to cover your bets. Why is it that risk-miscalculations always tend to favor the riskier bet?


shrift - Mar 20, 2008 9:25:58 am PDT #6209 of 10001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

So what are folks up to this weekend?

I'm going to the land of no internets tomorrow to visit family over Easter, and also to try on bridesmaids dresses. It is going to be a laugh riot this weekend, oh yeah.


Typo Boy - Mar 20, 2008 9:26:14 am PDT #6210 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

OH and Tommyrot, don't have time to dig it up, but there is a lot of evidence of deliberate fraud - both at the mortgage broker level, and at the packager level.


Tom Scola - Mar 20, 2008 9:28:09 am PDT #6211 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

In this case, the default rate of subprime loans was assumed to be the same as it always was.

But I assure you, it was not related to some kind of mendacious conspiracy on the loan-writing level. It was a miscalculation of risk. It's a simple run on the bank.

Did the default rate climb because of changing market conditions, or because the risk of the loans were deliberately being mischaracterized? I think it's some of both.

[link]


Susan W. - Mar 20, 2008 9:28:40 am PDT #6212 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

So what are folks up to this weekend?

Tonight: Sing at Maundy Thursday service at my church.

Tomorrow: Stay home with AB, whose daycare is closed

Saturday: Get hair cut and colored

Sunday: Easter music marathon! (3 services, first beginning at 7 a.m.), followed by yummy Easter dinner celebrating end of our semi-vegetarian Lent with ham