I got stabbed, you know, right here.

Mal ,'Shindig'


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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Nutty - Mar 17, 2008 6:39:56 am PDT #5420 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

That is to say, someone who was rendered virtually blind as a result of brain damage—someone whose cortex couldn't make sense of a visual scene, for example—would not be considered "legally blind," so long as his eyeballs themselves were functioning normally.

Actually, that makes sense to me. It's not that the eyes aren't seeing it, it's that the brain is turning the seen objects into a bunch of dancing hamsters. (Or similar.) That's much more easily classed under brain damage than blindness; and anyway, somebody who's legally blind sees everything with equal poverty, while somebody with visual brain damage might be able to register some things but not others (e.g. blindsight).

The whole "you got your injury in a shitty way, therefore it doesn't count as an injury," that I have more of a problem with.


Lee - Mar 17, 2008 6:41:41 am PDT #5421 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

The coffee machine on my floor is broken.

It really is Monday, isn't it?


Jesse - Mar 17, 2008 6:41:42 am PDT #5422 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

somebody who's legally blind sees everything with equal poverty,

Not true. My grandmother is legally blind from macular degeneration and so can see much more clearly with her peripheral vision than straight ahead. Unless that's not what you were trying to say.


Frankenbuddha - Mar 17, 2008 6:43:29 am PDT #5423 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

It really is Monday, isn't it?

Yes. Yes it is. Tragic, that.


Vortex - Mar 17, 2008 6:43:47 am PDT #5424 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Since I know that people want to see it:

Marshal/Science


Nutty - Mar 17, 2008 6:55:36 am PDT #5425 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Not true. My grandmother is legally blind from macular degeneration and so can see much more clearly with her peripheral vision than straight ahead. Unless that's not what you were trying to say.

My grandfather had that too! He used to hold Mah Jongg tiles up next to his head rather than in front of him, to try and see what they were using his peripheral vision.

But no, that's not what I'm trying to say. With macular degeneration, everything you see is perceived with equal quality: oncoming truck or Mah Jongg tile, as long as you see it with the peripheral parts of the visual field, you see it. With brain damage, depending on the type, you might see the moving truck but not the stationary tile, or be able to read the number off the tile but fail to realize that an oncoming truck is a threat, or correctly recognize the threat of the truck without knowing why or being able to say what that oncoming threat is called. People with blindsight can't tell you what object you're holding in your hands, but if you throw it at them, they'll duck.


tommyrot - Mar 17, 2008 6:59:17 am PDT #5426 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

People with blindsight can't tell you what object you're holding in your hands, but if you throw it at them, they'll duck.

Which is cool, in a weird way. I mean, if you're not the person who has this affliction, it's interesting how the brain works.

There's some sort of disorder (I forget what) where you don't see moving objects as being in motion; rather, it's as if you see a series of stills. So if a train is pulling into a station, you see the train near the station, but not moving, then you see it a bit closer, but still not moving, etc.


amych - Mar 17, 2008 7:01:11 am PDT #5427 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

All true and interesting, but I'm not sure it's relevant -- since what we're talking about is government recognition, I'm much more concerned with , say, do the visions of dancing hamsters prevent holding a job? or driving? and if people with that class of brain injuries can't be classified as blind, are there benefits they should be getting but are denied?

(For that matter, legal blindness isn't blindness at all, and has never been -- it's having vision on a level that keeps you from doing certain things. It's basically a functional definition, but only available for people with a certain neurological starting point?)


Frankenbuddha - Mar 17, 2008 7:01:22 am PDT #5428 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

There's some sort of disorder (I forget what) where you don't see moving objects as being in motion; rather, it's as if you see a series of stills. So if a train is pulling into a station, you see the train near the station, but not moving, then you see it a bit closer, but still not moving, etc.

Wow, the weeping angels would have even more of an advantage then.


amych - Mar 17, 2008 7:02:16 am PDT #5429 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Wow, the weeping angels would have even more of an advantage then.

I was just thinking that it sounded like living in Blink-land. Eeee.