Wow. I think I will have to stay away from b.org when this airs because my brain just goes nowhere near rape or child abuse even though I am pretty familiar with both.
But? There's always a but. When this is over, can we have a big 'but' moratorium?
Fred ,'Smile Time'
The Minearverse 6: Fiery Thread of Death
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath. Oh, and help us get Terriers dvds!
Tamara - May 15, 2008 5:36:50 pm PDT #777 of 4535
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.
DavidS - May 15, 2008 5:38:55 pm PDT #778 of 4535
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
I can see that, Tep. To me it still comes under sexual assault and exploitation tied up into one undigestible ball. I mean, I think the problem is the same - that the subject can't be used as a metaphor for something else. That it's very bad form to use sexual abuse and/or rape as a metaphor for how Hollywood demeans actresses.
It's related to the notion that you don't use the Holocaust as a metaphor for something else. Certain things are too visceral to be processed in a symbolic fashion.
DavidS - May 15, 2008 5:40:04 pm PDT #779 of 4535
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Wow. I think I will have to stay away from b.org when this airs because my brain just goes nowhere near rape or child abuse even though I am pretty familiar with both.
I haven't prejudged it! I'm willing to meet the show on its own terms. I just think that it's a very large pitfall.
Steph L. - May 15, 2008 5:41:24 pm PDT #780 of 4535
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe
To me it still comes under sexual assault and exploitation tied up into one undigestible ball.
Right; like I said, neither one is really "worse" than the other. It's just that there's an extra-special abhorrence to child sexual abuse.
That it's very bad form to use sexual abuse and/or rape as a metaphor for how Hollywood demeans actresses.
Is that what it's supposed to be a metaphor for? I don't think I knew that.
DavidS - May 15, 2008 5:42:50 pm PDT #781 of 4535
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Is that what it's supposed to be a metaphor for? I don't think I knew that.
Well, I'm extrapolating that from Joss describing his initial inspiration while talking to Eliza. That she saw her experience as an actress in Hollywood in the premise.
CaBil - May 15, 2008 5:43:02 pm PDT #782 of 4535
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.
Tamara, b.org is filled with Whedon/Minear extreme early adopters. The show is probably not going to premiere for what, 8 months? People on b.org have already been thinking about the show's concept for at least four months while even most Whedon fans haven't even heard of the show yet. We don't know enough about the show to imagine how it will go right (which basically comes down to execution anyways) but we do know enough about it to imagine all the possible ways it can go wrong. And after four months, that's a lot of different ways...
Kristen - May 15, 2008 5:45:42 pm PDT #783 of 4535
In light of recent posts, I feel I should downgrade my "squick" to a "bleh" since my issues are far less weighty.
Pix - May 15, 2008 5:53:49 pm PDT #784 of 4535
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie
I respect the squick and can see where it comes from. It doesn't bother me that way, but I get it.
Personally, I'm really intrigued and excited by the trailer.
§ ita § - May 15, 2008 5:58:05 pm PDT #785 of 4535
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
b.org is filled with Whedon/Minear extreme early adopters
I don't think it's so much early adopters as early deciders.
Allyson - May 15, 2008 5:58:59 pm PDT #786 of 4535
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
My squick belongs to the exploitation as the main component to the show.
I mean, Buffy was exploited by the Watcher's Council, and Angel was exploited by TPTB, but it wasn't the base point...I mean, once the exploitation stops, what is the show? It's a show about perpetual exploitation.
It squicked me in La Femme Nikita. Squicks me with Dollhouse. It isn't a feminist thing, it's humanist. It's very human trafficking. I can't watch documentaries on human trafficking, and exploitation, let alone something being billed as entertaining.