Saffron: I'll die. Mal: Well, as a courtesy, you might start getting busy on that, 'cause all this chatter ain't doin' me any kindness.

'Trash'


The Minearverse 6: Fiery Thread of Death

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath. Oh, and help us get Terriers dvds!


Gris - May 15, 2008 4:16:51 pm PDT #753 of 4535
Hey. New board.

Probably a little of both, if I had to guess. It can't be that simple.

The prostitution comparison is obvious, and must be intended blatantly. Some prostitutes really do get into the gig entirely voluntarily, I'm sure. But there are also well-known rings that force people into them at young ages, psychologically damage them into believing its their choice, and generally take advantage of every way people can abuse one another to get them to do what's good for the bosses. Adding the ability to technologically remove memories and chemically induce desires almost seems unnecessary, but does greatly increase the power of those abusers.


§ ita § - May 15, 2008 4:18:01 pm PDT #754 of 4535
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Gathering from my inability to get at the video now that wasn't a legit posting back then? Damn it!

eta:

I don't think the exploitation/mindwiping aspect is something I'm going to just work around.

I always figured it was the point, so while I'm not on the defensive or pre-squicked, I'm certainly very curious. People signing up for something they were sure they could handle, and then...


Gris - May 15, 2008 4:18:51 pm PDT #755 of 4535
Hey. New board.

ita, there's a link to a Quicktime version at the bottom. Try that.


SailAweigh - May 15, 2008 4:20:24 pm PDT #756 of 4535
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

At least in the beginning, anyway.

I'd prefer it that way, too, but it still wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me. I guess I've spent too much time in male-dominated environments that I don't think twice if that's the first place a guys mind goes to. It's true to life. What matters isn't that it goes there, but how it comes out of it.


§ ita § - May 15, 2008 4:20:26 pm PDT #757 of 4535
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I got nothing, Gris. Just the shiny Q.


Frankenbuddha - May 15, 2008 4:20:49 pm PDT #758 of 4535
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

None of the preview links are working anymore, dammit!


Kat - May 15, 2008 4:23:49 pm PDT #759 of 4535
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

ita, it was a 2 1/2 minute bit, I think, from the upfronts. It had Papyrus font, and not in a good way.


amych - May 15, 2008 4:25:31 pm PDT #760 of 4535
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I am Tep, I am Kat; I think I'm in pretty good company there. It's absolutely not a male or female thing, either -- the mindwipe business is about as close as I get to something I really, truly just can't watch. (Well, that and miscarriages of convenience.)

And yeah, I get that the whole point is Echo pushing through the mindwipe and starting to put things together, which is what will make me at least try it.

I read the "they volunteered" sequence much the way Tep did. It's strongly implied that they didn't, or at least they they did under duress and/or bad information.

(The falling in love plot? Really doesn't even register as an issue. It's like the embarrassment-comedy throwaway-ep-for-laffs version of the basic mindwipey plot.)


Laga - May 15, 2008 4:31:27 pm PDT #761 of 4535
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I'm reminded of that movie The Condemned which seemed to be saying, "violence as a form of entertainment is morally wrong". While at the same time being one of the most violently entertaining movies ever made. Is it possible to take a stand against exploitation within such a seemingly exploitave premise?


Tamara - May 15, 2008 4:32:28 pm PDT #762 of 4535
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

I guess I don't get it. I thought the show was about these dolls in an illegal operation getting mindwiped and that the people doing the mindwiping were supposed to be the bad guys. Isn't it about Echo trying to figure things out and the FBI guy trying to shut them down.

So people are squicked about the thing they are supposed to be squicked about. Right?