Kaylee: Captain seem a little funny to you at breakfast this morning? Wash: Come on, Kaylee. We all know I'm the funny one.

'Heart Of Gold'


The Minearverse 6: Fiery Thread of Death

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath. Oh, and help us get Terriers dvds!


le nubian - Apr 12, 2008 5:48:16 am PDT #448 of 4535
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

the narrative issues were tiny.

I don't agree.


Kevin - Apr 12, 2008 5:49:28 am PDT #449 of 4535
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Well, admittedly not airing the pilot first generated a few.


Invisible Green - Apr 12, 2008 6:06:56 am PDT #450 of 4535

I believe I'm correct in saying Tim was involved in the moving of Firefly episodes around. Unless I'm wrong.

He pushed "Shindig" and "Safe" back until later in the show's run, feeling that they wouldn't work very well if you weren't familiar with the characters (which wouldn't have been a problem if "Serenity" had aired).

Swapping "Objects in Space" in place of "Heart of Gold" was Joss. I think that he just really wanted OiS to air, and at that point there was only one episode other than "Serenity" scheduled.

Airing "Serenity" last was, of course, all FOX.


Kevin - Apr 12, 2008 8:15:19 am PDT #451 of 4535
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

I think "Our Mrs Reynolds" was pushed forward by Tim and Joss to get the good out early, also. Tim made a bunch of posts on Fireflyfans.net back in 2002 about it, but they appear to have ditched all the old posts. Boo.


Polter-Cow - Apr 12, 2008 8:19:37 am PDT #452 of 4535
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Maybe it's in the Wonderfalls thread

I thought this was the Wonderfalls thread.

(IMHO, "Karma Chameleon" is the stronger second episode, because it explains why Jaye is the way she is, her relationship with her family, and Aaron actually gets some screen time.)

I also think "Pink Flamingos" works better fourth because it brings back Gretchen Speck, a sign of continuity, and it feels weird to have that episode second and then go into "Karma Chameleon" and "Wound-Up Penguin," which don't necessarily follow from it (all three only contain previouslies from the pilot). I liked waiting for the return of Gretchen and seeing it as a sign of future continuity. Also, that has more of the relationship between Sharon and Beth, which, in this order, disappears for two episodes longer before its return in "Safety Canary." ALSO, it has the theme of "If you don't listen to the animals, people will get hurt," and, again, it's weird to have her do that and go through the other two episodes instead of having had three episodes of animal nonsense before choosing to defy them. Man, it doesn't make any sense for it to come second at all! Whatevs, Todd Holland.


§ ita § - Apr 12, 2008 8:42:25 am PDT #453 of 4535
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Maybe in "Lovesick, my Ass!"


Matt the Bruins fan - Apr 12, 2008 8:46:30 am PDT #454 of 4535
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Yeah, I think I preferred it in aired order rather than DVD order myself. "Wax Lion" and "Pink Flamingos" were stronger episodes IMHO than "Karma Chameleon" and "Wound-Up Penguin," but I liked them better bracketing the latter two.

Plus, it moves that hilarious phone call with Heidi closer to her actual appearance.


Kristen - Apr 12, 2008 8:49:09 am PDT #455 of 4535

What Tim said about the Wonderfalls episode order in Minearverse 1:

But we're airing the pilot first. And since I haven't been up against airdates, I've had the odd luxury of reverse engineering a few of the epsiodes that we shot later to go earlier -- ON PURPOSE. Who knows what's gonna happen. Maybe it'll be a huge hit. Maybe it'll be a lovely thirteen episode DVD set. I will say that I designed the last six to be a bit of an arc with an ending, viewing the last in the initial order as a season finale of sorts.

Then later:

FutonCritic is wrong, wrong wrong. Jess and Gus are correct. I wrote air-episode two in the production-ten slot. This was the luxury of not being up against air dates. I was able to look at what we had and, with an understanding that only comes with making ten episodes (and actually testing two of them -- a story I will relate after we air epsiode two), I was allowed to create TWO of the later episodes to go earlier.

What you will see as episode two and episode four were shot as 10 and 12. To GO IN THE TWO AND FOUR SLOTS. I promise. I might mention, however, that there is one early episode, an important episode that sets up many things to follow, that the network DID want to push. I wrote a vey specific memo explaining why I felt this was not a great idea. They agreed. Episode five will air where it's supposed to. Fear not, young ones.

And:

One last bit of hopefully useful clarification -- don't ever let production numbers fool you on this show. ep five was shot as ep 2, episode 3 as one. This had to do with cast, location and us just figuring it all out as we went.


aurelia - Apr 12, 2008 9:08:07 am PDT #456 of 4535
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

Episode five will air where it's supposed to. Fear not, young ones.

Or, you know, not at all.


Polter-Cow - Apr 12, 2008 9:37:51 am PDT #457 of 4535
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

"Wax Lion" and "Pink Flamingos" were stronger episodes IMHO than "Karma Chameleon" and "Wound-Up Penguin," but I liked them better bracketing the latter two.

Yeah, I agree, although I love "Karma Chameleon" a lot, which certainly seemed to be a minority opinion on TWoP. On watching it last night, I guess I could see how Jaye's self-absorption could be a bit grating, but I also related to her a lot in that episode.

Plus, it moves that hilarious phone call with Heidi closer to her actual appearance.

Ha, good point.

What you will see as episode two and episode four were shot as 10 and 12. To GO IN THE TWO AND FOUR SLOTS. I promise.

So Tim thinks "Pink Flamingos" should be episode four too? I agree!

It was funny to show my friend "Wax Lion" because I had suggested Wonderfalls, and she said okay, and I brought it over, and about twenty minutes into the episode, once the wax lion started talking, she said, "So, clearly, I had no idea what this show was about."

(Of course, then she asked me if it was still airing, and I gave her A Look.)