Jeez, don't get all Movie of the Week. I was just too cheap to buy you a real present.

Dawn ,'The Killer In Me'


The Minearverse 6: Fiery Thread of Death

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath. Oh, and help us get Terriers dvds!


quester - Feb 20, 2009 4:43:37 pm PST #1883 of 4535
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

But, she's getting more flashes. I wonder if whatever he drugged her with is accelerating the process.


sj - Feb 20, 2009 4:44:19 pm PST #1884 of 4535
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I keep thinking that the client is Alpha, but if so why would they work with him?


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 20, 2009 4:44:39 pm PST #1885 of 4535
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

The jumping through time certainly feels more like one of his story frameworks.

Appropriately, this dialogue seems to echo what she said in the teaser of the first episode just before being wiped.


Stephanie - Feb 20, 2009 4:51:36 pm PST #1886 of 4535
Trust my rage

This is definitely better but the "hiring a girl for sex and then hunting her" is just really disturbing. Somehow the fact that she doesn't know who she is makes it even creepier.


Steph L. - Feb 20, 2009 5:17:25 pm PST #1887 of 4535
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Not very pleased with the direction this is going. I promised myself 3 episodes, but I might not come back for more.

The creepy stuff about Alpha is intriguing, but the rest of the show is so goddamn offensive. I would have so much less of a problem with the premise if the Actives -- I'm sorry, the young white woman Active -- weren't getting mindwiped and raped every week.

On one episode of The Simpsons, Sideshow Bob's diabolical plan was that he wanted all the TV stations in Springfield to shut down. (Stay with me here.) To spread his message, he hacked into a jumbo-Jumbotron at an air show, and broadcast his message that he wants all the TV stations shut down. The screen goes black for a second, and then he comes back on and says, "And yes, I realize the irony of appearing on television in order to decry it."

Joss, the irony of using a show about mindwiped whores to make a statement on the treatment of....what? Actresses? Is no longer ironic. You don't get to use rape as a metaphor.


amych - Feb 20, 2009 5:25:17 pm PST #1888 of 4535
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

t stands and salutes La Tep


Laura - Feb 20, 2009 5:26:26 pm PST #1889 of 4535
Our wings are not tired.

Thanks Steph for being more articulate than I. All I can say at this point is, why would I want to watch this?


Steph L. - Feb 20, 2009 5:30:20 pm PST #1890 of 4535
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I'm starting to have a hard time believing this is the same Joss Whedon responsible for the first 4 seasons of Buffy. (I have issues with a lot of S5-7. It's a thing.) And for Zoe (hey, I wasn't crazy about Firefly, but I recognize a kickass character when I see one).

Man. I so wanted this show to be good, and the sad thing is that I can see where it could have been. But when your premise is that mindwiping and whoring out women is wrong -- which you demonstrate by mindwiping and whoring them out week after week -- UR DOIN IT WRONG.


victor infante - Feb 20, 2009 6:27:21 pm PST #1891 of 4535
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Oh, Joss. I can go with the human trafficking, but does the pathetically pining next door neighbor really have to be the only curvy/fuller figured/"normal"-sized woman on the show? Really??

Funny, none of that occurred to me. I just thought Not!Helo was stupid for ignoring the hot woman next door.

But when your premise is that mindwiping and whoring out women is wrong -- which you demonstrate by mindwiping and whoring them out week after week -- UR DOIN IT WRONG.

Errr ... it's kind of the premise of the show. If they did away with it in the second episode, the show would kind of be over.

But I don't entirely buy that that the show is about how mindwiping and whoring are wrong. I think they're the wrongs that are taken as the given of the show.

Moreover ...

Joss, the irony of using a show about mindwiped whores to make a statement on the treatment of....what? Actresses? Is no longer ironic. You don't get to use rape as a metaphor.

I don't think this is what's happening, either. Again, the horrid things are the context of the show, not the subject. The subject is identity, and about whether it can be completely suppressed, erased or overwritten. About whether we are our memories, or lack of them. All very Phillip K. Dick, I'm sure.

I have to admit, I was weak on the first episode, but I thought this one was head-and-shoulders above the first. I'm happy to learn some back story, and I think there's plenty of potential laid out here worth exploring.

To tell the truth, last week I was concerned that it would be impossible for Echo's character to plausibly progress, but I'm now a lot less worried about that. I like the idea that who she really is isn't so easily eradicated.

I'm not as in love with it as I was with, oh, "Buffy," "Angel," "Firefly" or "Drive," but I'm definitely more interested than I was last week.

(Also, I thought Eliza was much better this week time around. I really thought she was on.)


erikaj - Feb 20, 2009 6:31:20 pm PST #1892 of 4535
Always Anti-fascist!

What Victor said. Although I get Tep's reservations. Although I think she's going to be security next week, so it will be less with the rape subtext. But it's REALLY hard to gross me out on a procedural basis, so ymmv.