Giles! I accidentally killed Spike. That's okay, right?

Buffy ,'Never Leave Me'


The Minearverse 6: Fiery Thread of Death

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath. Oh, and help us get Terriers dvds!


Kevin - Feb 18, 2009 12:39:48 am PST #1831 of 4535
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Laga, I've watched all of Lost from start to finish and right now I'm watching it going "What just happened? Who is that?". I mean, it keeps making BIG IMPORTANT MUSIC when a character walks on screen and I'm, like, I clearly should know who you are as it's dead important, but I've really got no idea. The show is much, much better now, though. They actually set up a question and then answer it, which for Lost is radical.

The last episode of season two is one of the more spectacular pieces of television ever.

Oh my god, I hated that episode with a fiery vengeance. Didn't the showrunners get sacked over it? It was like they smoked a shit load of weed and bashed their Final Draft with boxing gloves on.

By the way, I am seeing people online who absolutely love Dollhouse. I don't think it's possible to categorically say it's a terrible show which will never work - it's the first episode. It will find an audience with people who love it, it just depends if that audience is enough.


Kevin - Feb 18, 2009 1:39:12 am PST #1832 of 4535
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Oh, I was wrong earlier (that NEVER happens) - Ep 3 is the singing ep, ep 4 is Gray Hour, I got them switched.


aurelia - Feb 18, 2009 4:15:42 am PST #1833 of 4535
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

Oh my god, I hated that episode with a fiery vengeance. Didn't the showrunners get sacked over it? It was like they smoked a shit load of weed and bashed their Final Draft with boxing gloves on.

We're just going to have to disagree on that.


Polter-Cow - Feb 18, 2009 4:33:54 am PST #1834 of 4535
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Do I have to watch all the stuff in between I missed? I quit midway through the first season.

Oooh, that's early. Yeah, you should catch up entirely. Basically, once they set an end date in the middle of season three (why thank you, Brian K. Vaughan), they've been firing on all cylinders and actually telling a story that's clearly going somewhere rather than just being all mysterious.


Kevin - Feb 18, 2009 4:38:22 am PST #1835 of 4535
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

My favourite Lost episode: THE ONE WHERE THEY EXPLAIN JACK'S TATTOO FINALLY. It's a page turner!


Topic!Cindy - Feb 18, 2009 4:44:56 am PST #1836 of 4535
What is even happening?

Do I have to watch all the stuff in between I missed? I quit midway through the first season.

Oooh, that's early. Yeah, you should catch up entirely. Basically, once they set an end date in the middle of season three (why thank you, Brian K. Vaughan), they've been firing on all cylinders and actually telling a story that's clearly going somewhere rather than just being all mysterious.

I don't think you do have to watch it, Laga. I think you could start with this season and get into it. Everything that happens on the show is so batshit insane, but this year has been terrific in its batshit insanity, and there really is direction, now.

My favourite Lost episode: THE ONE WHERE THEY EXPLAIN JACK'S TATTOO FINALLY. It's a page turner!

UGH.


Ginger - Feb 18, 2009 5:09:32 am PST #1837 of 4535
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I'm just going to have to pretend Kevin missed the scene in question, which used Patti Smith's "Horses" to astonishing effect.

IIRC, Chris Carter turned the show over to Morgan and Wong as showrunners for the second season, while he worked on the X-Files movie, and then came back for season 3.


le nubian - Feb 18, 2009 5:56:45 am PST #1838 of 4535
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I saw this quote on Alan Sepiwall's blog:

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I have the exact same problems you had Alan - I believe Dushku will be the series' biggest liability. She is like a Caucasian Michelle Rodriguez - does one thing very well (vulnerable bad ass) but that's about it.


DavidS - Feb 18, 2009 6:38:47 am PST #1839 of 4535
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Sepinwell argues Allyson's point:

But in the early going, "Dollhouse" feels less like a show that's been a victim of network goonery than a show that had some basic problems in conception that still need to be addressed.


Kevin - Feb 18, 2009 7:07:45 am PST #1840 of 4535
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

The premise of DH does have good points, though - for a start, you can pretty much do any kind of episode, because the characters can be anybody and anything. It's pretty broad.

I watched a brief minute of "Out of Gas" last night by chance. It was the scene at the end, with Mal getting patched up with his 'family' around him. Him asking if they'll be there when he gets back. Simple drama. And it absolutely works. It works because it's emotional. You know what Mal has been through, and it's effecting because of that. I think Dollhouse's challenge is to get people to care about Echo et all. A signature thing in Whedon's work is the notion of 'found family' - it's something that I truly believe in as a good thing - and Dollhouse lacks that entirely. These characters don't even like each other.