Fox isn't fucking him over, though.
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Allyson - Feb 17, 2009 2:53:59 pm PST #1796 of 4535
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Kevin - Feb 17, 2009 2:59:24 pm PST #1797 of 4535
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
Well, he's vented spleen in a few of the Dollhouse interviews already - the Rolling Stone one is particularly brutal of FOX. It's not online, but a few choice quotes:
"It went well at first, then it went not so well. And the not-so-well is about them going 'You know, we don't really have room for these kinder, more contemplative stories'."
Regarding 'Ghost', he says "I knew Kevin Reilly would look at it and go 'You have to be fucking kidding me'".
Rolling Stone then say "Fed up the interface, Whedon shut down production of the show in September" and that "Fox didn't care about the feminist sub-text - it just wanted to crank up the volume". He told the network "I no longer know what you're going for".
But, yeah, I agree David.
Fox isn't fucking him over, though.
Totally. They're just trying to make it as accessible as possible.
DavidS - Feb 17, 2009 3:00:20 pm PST #1798 of 4535
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Fox isn't fucking him over, though.
In the sense that he made a deal and they have the power and they can make him reshoot the pilot and they can schedule it on a crap night where it has no chance of finding an audience - that's true.
So I don't think it's a special case of fucking over so much as Fox's fucked up fuckery at work.
Kevin - Feb 17, 2009 3:03:19 pm PST #1799 of 4535
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
Some of FOX's antics have been hilarious from my point of view. When I put the upfronts trailer online for them, they didn't get music clearance, so I got stuck in the middle of a copyright war. They have spelt Joss's name wrong on official publicity material, they had to pull the music video they released for Dollhouse as they spelt the artists name wrong, they [20th] screened the wrong episode of Dollhouse accidentally to the international network buyers (Gray Hour, which nobody likes - none of the international networks picked up the show), they accidentally sent out the wrong episode (Gray Hour...) to some of the critics yadadadada.
Kevin - Feb 17, 2009 3:19:47 pm PST #1800 of 4535
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
Here's a scan of the Rolling Stone interview: [link]
Topic!Cindy - Feb 17, 2009 3:37:18 pm PST #1801 of 4535
What is even happening?
Do we need super seekrit clearance.
Cashmere - Feb 17, 2009 3:49:15 pm PST #1802 of 4535
Now tagless for your comfort.
I mentioned this article in Natter last week. It made me feel the foreboding even before I watched the show.
Kevin - Feb 17, 2009 4:02:40 pm PST #1803 of 4535
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
Well, how on tone the article is, questionable. It's certainly got a spin to it. And they say fan protests led to Fox greenlighting Serenity, so, ya know. But, yeah, it's not like Joss hasn't said anything negative about the experience pre-air.
There's another bit of publicity which slipped under the radar which is well worth reading - Joss answering Whedonesque's QuoterGal about the nature of both the Dollhouse publicity and the porn tone of the show: [link]
Topic!Cindy - Feb 17, 2009 5:30:18 pm PST #1804 of 4535
What is even happening?
Okay, I think my firewall must be disappearing links on me again, because I'm seeing nothing from Kevin's post at 1800 and Cashmere's at 1802 (that's why I made the "super seekrit" comment).
Allyson - Feb 17, 2009 6:17:10 pm PST #1805 of 4535
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
So I don't think it's a special case of fucking over so much as Fox's fucked up fuckery at work.
Or it could be the case that Joss screwed the pooch, the series kind of blows, and it ended up on Friday because it might possibly do better in the ratings than a House repeat, but maybe not.
Network isn't always wrong. It doesn't mean that Joss is hack, I mean, Buffy and Angel were wonderful, a lot of people feel that way about Firefly, Dr. Horrible was great, but the man isn't infallible.
He had an idea in front of a urinal. Maybe if he had to poop, he'd have had a few minutes to realize this concept isn't really a series, it's an episode of something.
The thing is swiss cheese. You can't develop your main character because she isn't the same person from week to week, and can only develop incrementally over a whole season.
The only reason to root for her is she used to play Faith.
The reasons she's hired to do things are paper thin, since you can actually hire an actual expert to do the thing.
He's lucky that it's airing. He's lucky that they let him shut down production to try and make it work.
It would be foolish of him to bitchslap the hand that fed him. They took a chance based on his past reputation, but how he reacts to this will likely bite him in the ass in the end, because seriously, after you've denigrated your boss in the press, where can you go?
It would be horribly frustrating if he had a phenomenal idea a year from now, but made himself anathema to anyone with the power to grant him a budget.