Instrumental in what happening? I thought that Firefly was aired out of order, which they *weren't* happy about.

That was my recollection, too. They said there we bright sides -- for instance, it forced Tim to write "Out of Gas" pretty quickly, which was one of the best episodes and wouldn't have happened if they didn't have a desperate need to make sense of things because the order had been shuffled, but on the whole, all I remember is a lot of grumbling, and audiences being confused because the new order didn't make much sense.

if you go back in the archives here

Zero interest in that, thanks. t edit Victor remembering it the way I do doesn't mean it's true, but it's weird that we both remember it that way. (Or we're both smoking some righteous weed. Dude.)

Fans made Serenity happen.

Wonder why Joss thanked the fans for their help in getting Serenity to the screen, then. Sure, he didn't use the verbatim phrase "Fans made Serenity happen," but his impassioned thanks seemed to imply that fans had something to do with it.

Maybe he's just a nice guy and gave fans credit where none was due. Or maybe he was just mindfucking the fans and laughing when the camera was off at fans for being deluded enough to think they had any impact whatsoever on getting the movie made.

The great thing about history is you can make it up.

Evidently. I remember clearly the time when it became clear that "Firefly's" days were numbered, and Joss was scrambling, talking to various networks to move it or possibly to make it into a movie. He was posting on Whedonesque almost daily, and even here once in a while. It was at that time that the fan-effort arose to keep the pressure up so one of those outcomes would happen. The movie was where it all landed.

There's still may of the Browncoats people around. I'm sure they can tell you in more detail, but the fan effort was an integral part of how it all went down.

the fan effort was an integral part of how it all went down.

Thank you for being my auxilliary memory.

Sure, he didn't use the verbatim phrase "Fans made Serenity happen," but his impassioned thanks seemed to imply that fans had something to do with it.

I think he was trying to suggest 'It's your movie', as you it's a movie for you and you can make it a success. I could be wrong.

Loads of articles about Serenity - almost all, in fact - start off by saying how fans campaigned for a movie, and that DVD sales made Serenity happen.

Joss sold Serenity to Mary Parent. Nathan announced the movie online on the old Prospero Firefly forum before the DVD set even came out. Serenitymovie.com was registered by Universal before the DVD came out. Yet we all sit and go 'Yeah, we made that movie happen!'. Uhm, no, we didn't. At all.

I love Firefly. Really. Also, love the movie. I mean, I spent 2005 travelling across the UK with the movie, doing the website here, organising the screenings. But it's amazing all the fans think we Done The Impossible and made that movie happen.

I'm absolutely not suggesting Allyson, Kiba, Kristen etc didn't try to save the show, by the way. They're another bit of history which got stepped on.

Sure, he didn't use the verbatim phrase "Fans made Serenity happen," but his impassioned thanks seemed to imply that fans had something to do with it.

I think he was trying to suggest 'It's your movie', as you it's a movie for you and you can make it a success. I could be wrong.

From the intro that ran before the preview screenings of Serenity:

Hi I’m Joss Whedon. Before we begin this special screening, I have a little story I want to tell you. It’s about a TV show called Firefly. Firefly went on the air a few years ago and was instantly hailed by critics as one of the most cancelled shows of the year. It was ignored and abandoned, and the story should end there. But it doesn’t, because the people who made the show and the people who saw the show—which is roughly the same number of people—fell in love with it a little bit too much to let it go, too much to lay down arms when the battle looked pretty much lost.

In Hollywood, people like that are called unrealistic, quixotic, obsessive. In my world, they’re called Browncoats. Now whether you watched the show on TV or saw the DVDs—or whether you never set foot in the Firefly universe before tonight—the fact that you’re here means that you’re part of something, something that is a little bit remarkable. This movie should not exist. Failed TV shows don’t get made into major motion pictures—unless the creator, the cast and the fans believe beyond reason. That’s what I have felt, and that’s what I have seen in the DVD sales, the booths at the cons run by fans, the web sites and the fundraisers—all the work the fans have done helped make this movie.

It is, in an unprecedented sense, your movie.

[from [link]

[there's more, which I snipped for brevity and other people reading this thread who don't give a shit]

Yet we all sit and go 'Yeah, we made that movie happen!'. Uhm, no, we didn't. At all.

But it's amazing all the fans think we Done The Impossible and made that movie happen.

Maybe Joss shouldn't have actually said those words, then:

Because remember: they tried to kill us. They did kill us, and here we are. We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty. Thank you for helping getting this movie as far as it has gotten.

[from the same link]

I thought that Firefly was aired out of order, which they *weren't* happy about.

IIRC, postponing "Serenity" was the only episode-airing decision made by FOX. Tim pushed back the airings of "Shindig" and "Safe," feeling that the audience really needed to understand the characters for those episodes, and Joss swapped "Objects in Space" in place of "Heart of Gold," because he really wanted OiS to air on TV.

IIRC, postponing "Serenity" was the only episode-airing decision made by FOX. Tim pushed back the airings of "Shindig" and "Safe," feeling that the audience really needed to understand the characters for those episodes,

Yep. And "Train Job" was written because of the need for a first new episode with "more action," and "Out of Gas" to fill in backstory.

The one decision caused a domino effect.

I wish I were better at Nilly-ing. I know we've had the "fans made Serenity happen" conversation at least once before.

Joss kind of glosses over the other reasons why the movie got made. "Fans" were only a very small part of it. But it does make a better story the way he tells it.