I finally watched it off the DVR and was not particularly impressed. It was okay, I certainly didn't feel like I wasted an hour and there's some interesting stuff there, but it didn't hook me.

Then again, it took 3 episodes for Firefly to hook me (though I blame Fox for that) so I'm will to give this 3 episodes as well.

The GF, on the other hand, really enjoyed it. Not to the point where she'd keep watching if I stopped, but she was a lot more involved during the episode than I was.

I agree that the promos during the show were awful and cringe-inducing, and that I think whoever said that Summer looked like she didn't want to be there was spot-on.

On a side note, am I the only one who recognized Agent Helo's boxing opponent as Toa? (And how many respect points have I lost for making that connection?)

On a completely unthinky note, I think the set is a little too busy. I don't see what the advantage of having such a large elaborate open set is, if it doesn't give you any supercool shots where the relationship of the rooms to each other matters.

I don't see what the advantage of having such a large elaborate open set is,

Joss loves his multi-tiered sets, though. The Bronze, the Hyperion, Serenity, Wolfram & Hart...

Hey, Toa's The Rock's stunt double and cousin! Mmmm.

t /less deep than Kalshane

Okay, so, this is a serious request: can anybody come up with a great way of selling Dollhouse to average joe (not to be confused with Joe The Plumber) in a few sentences?

I haven't watched it, yet. I saw the first couple of minutes with Eliza's character being coerced into signing up for five years, and I saw her on the motorcycle, and dancing in the white dress shirt. I told her, "Look into pants," and then I had other things to do.

I...if this wasn't Whedon, I would have already deleted it from the TiVo. Instead, it's sitting there, waiting for me, and I'm thinking about it. Too much.

...and dancing in the white dress shirt. I told her, "Look into pants," and then I had other things to do

Yeah, looking at that opening sequence again I immediately flashed back to Absolutely Fabulous with Patsy saying "One snap of my fingers and I can raise hemlines so high the whole world's your gynecologist."

I can't believe I didn't recognize Toa, having been roped into AG last season. Huh. Good catch!

I may have been distracted by Tamoh's hips. Perhaps.

Because they aren't real. They're recordings. And they're not even original recordings; they're mashups.

But aren't we all mashups? Of our parents, our friends, our experiences? What goes into making a person? Whether or not you consider the imprints real, they're Echo's reality at the time of the mindwipe.

But aren't we all mashups? Of our parents, our friends, our experiences?

My mom's -- or anyone's -- personality isn't overlaid on my empty one. I can't say "Because I know P-C, I can therefore be a kickass medical writer and Mikado filker." (I wish.) Knowing someone doesn't make me them.

Yeah, my argument is based on the idea that the Dollhouse brain-tech would actually work, instead of being an effective lobotomy (which is basically is, now that I think about it), so this is sort of a silly argument.