Mal: Well said. Wasn't that well said, Zoe? Zoe: Had a kind poetry to it, sir.

'Out Of Gas'


The Minearverse 6: Fiery Thread of Death

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath. Oh, and help us get Terriers dvds!


victor infante - Feb 15, 2009 5:41:24 am PST #1690 of 4535
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

On the whole, I enjoyed it. Actually, I enjoyed everything about it except Eliza. Which is completely the opposite of what I was afraid was going to happen. But really, she was terrible in this in every "role" except the party girl. The "blank" Echo role I could forgive being wooden, because there's not supposed to be a lot of there there. But in the negotiator role? No. No, Eliza didn't sell that at all. It was kind of painful.

Which is really annoying, as she's the one the show is built around. If she can't switch it up better, the show'll be toast.

Which is a shame, because I was digging on the Not!Helo, and the ex-cop handler, and seeing Amy Acker again (in a great small part) and even the woman in charge whose name is escaping me. I see a lot of potential, and a lot to enjoy, but so far, it still has a way to go.


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 15, 2009 6:10:38 am PST #1691 of 4535
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Something wasn't there. The kind of something Jodie Foster had as Claire in Silence of the Lambs. It was definitely a limit of Eliza's acting. And I'm a fan of her acting, but it could be an issue.

Yeah, I hate to admit it, but those scenes read very much as the client and kidnappers being cowed because the script said so, not because of anything Eliza was projecting. SMG hit all the right notes of a similar situation in "Checkpoint," and (though I hesitate to bring up the Most Hated One) I bought it that Julia Roberts' Erin Brockovich could just walk into law offices and Deadly Pollution Inc.'s boardroom and brass her way into dominance. Eliza doesn't seem to have that sort of gravitas if she's not allowed to beat people up in the scene.


DavidS - Feb 15, 2009 6:11:58 am PST #1692 of 4535
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

There's backstory?

When a character shows up in the first episode with a huge scar across her face, there's backstory.


tiggy - Feb 15, 2009 6:50:17 am PST #1693 of 4535
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

Where does the crush thing come from?

there were rumours back in the day about Kai being a bit jealous of Joss' attention to Eliza.


Fay - Feb 15, 2009 6:56:58 am PST #1694 of 4535
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Oh dear, really?

That's...pretty depressing. I trust it's just random internet gossip.


Liese S. - Feb 15, 2009 7:05:01 am PST #1695 of 4535
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Yeah, I didn't love it. I think it's kind to assume that all the negatives come from trying to wrench in network notes, but I doubt that's the case.

Expected problems are still there and not mitigated at all by the casting. Hope that it pans out better over the long haul.

In actual episode reflection, do you think the actives are named (or rather initialed) linearly? If Alpha is presumably first, that would only put a few before Echo, whereas there's quite a bit of space between her and the presumably newest Sierra. So Echo's been there for some time, and the scene of bringing her in was a flashback? Also, it's funny, because it'll be fine to have someone named Charlie or Juliet, but there's going to be somebody named Uniform or Whiskey. Hee.


DavidS - Feb 15, 2009 7:09:38 am PST #1696 of 4535
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I think it's kind to assume that all the negatives come from trying to wrench in network notes, but I doubt that's the case.

How come? They had to toss out the pilot and rewrite the following episodes multiple times, all in response to network requests.

In actual episode reflection, do you think the actives are named (or rather initialed) linearly? If Alpha is presumably first, that would only put a few before Echo, whereas there's quite a bit of space between her and the presumably newest Sierra.

That's what I thought.

but there's going to be somebody named Uniform or Whiskey. Hee.

"Who's going out on this engagement?"
"Whiskey, Tango and Foxtrot."
::snicker::


Nora Deirdre - Feb 15, 2009 7:14:17 am PST #1697 of 4535
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

Eliza doesn't seem to have that sort of gravitas if she's not allowed to beat people up in the scene.

Well, maybe if they didn't put her in that damn tight skirt-jacket getup and spiked high heels, that could have helped some. I agree that she didn't pull that off (though I do give her some props for her reaction when she saw the former personality's abuser) but JESUS, does she have to be sexy in every effing situation? Down to the sexy librarian glasses and the updo that is just waiting for the perfect opportunity to be unleashed sexily. She seemed like a dominatrix rather than a negotiator.


DavidS - Feb 15, 2009 7:22:53 am PST #1698 of 4535
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

She seemed like a dominatrix rather than a negotiator.

She wasn't very dom though. It would've nice if she'd been more credible taking charge.


Nora Deirdre - Feb 15, 2009 7:39:22 am PST #1699 of 4535
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

You're right- it looked like she was dressed for the part, and that was a substitution for actually having that credibility.