Can't any one of your damn little Scooby club at least try to remember that I hate you all?

Spike ,'Get It Done'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Typo Boy - Aug 23, 2009 1:22:12 pm PDT #9515 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Have not seen it yet, but would guess 5.


Typo Boy - Aug 23, 2009 1:22:13 pm PDT #9516 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Did not need to say it twice.


§ ita § - Aug 23, 2009 1:24:56 pm PDT #9517 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Yes, it was episode 5, where Annie goes off on Owen. A thing of glory.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Aug 23, 2009 1:36:59 pm PDT #9518 of 30001
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

Ooh, yes. That one was impressive.


Typo Boy - Aug 23, 2009 2:08:34 pm PDT #9519 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I don't quite understand the economics where BBCA would charge me to watch their stuff with computers, but gives me their most popular program free in the on-demand section with no advertising other than for other BBCA programs. I mean good for me, I can watch it at my convenience full length without commercials, but don't quite see the business model.


Morgana - Aug 23, 2009 3:55:07 pm PDT #9520 of 30001
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

Re: Being Human -- I enjoyed the episode, but to nitpick ('cause we never do that here): Firstly, Mitchell strikes me as lovely but not having a brain in his head. The whole time he was going on about the idyllic future where everyone would be turned, voluntarily of course (and despite Head Vampire Guy - Harrick, is it? - making it clear he was selectively choosing which humans were good or useful enough to turn), I kept thinking "This is not a sustainable system! What the hell are you planning to eat?" But I really liked his encounter with his girlfriend from the 60's.

And Annie, oh Annie. For almost the entire episode I was so frustated and annoyed by her cowering and snivelling. I suppose I have been thoroughly spoiled by Buffy and her descendants, because I wanted Annie to speak up, or pick up something heavy to whack people with it. Crying on the floor, crying on the stairway, crying on the couch... none of those things help at all. On the other hand, her final confrontation with Owen was so spot-on I practically cheered at the TV. ('We have your scent now, and can track you to the ends of the earth...')


§ ita § - Aug 23, 2009 4:31:13 pm PDT #9521 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Remember Annie's an emotionally and ultimately physically abused woman. Standing up effectively is going to be hard for her.


Morgana - Aug 23, 2009 4:46:12 pm PDT #9522 of 30001
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

I know, and I kept reminding myself of that. But it's less satisfying dramatically to see non-stop weakness than it is to see someone fighting back. I was really satisfied in her strength at the end.


Ash - Aug 23, 2009 5:00:23 pm PDT #9523 of 30001

Owen not only knew how to break her down, but enjoyed it. Annie was used to it, and it didn't seem out of character, as frustrating as it was. I was going to be annoyed if it stayed that way. But that final moment when she confronted him, serene and confident, was so delicious.

Yeah, Mitchell is lovely, but not very bright...


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 23, 2009 6:02:23 pm PDT #9524 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I posted this on TwoP this weekend about my reaction to Owen and Annie (spoilery for episode 6):

I didn't like Owen's blasé attitude about being haunted by Annie precisely because it made her big moment of triumph by whispering the secret that broke him such a 180° turn. If you're so lacking in conscience or imagination that it only takes you a minute to recover from the discovery that the fiance you murdered is back to haunt you (complete with both proof of existence after death and the implication that as a murderer you're not going to like what you find there) and get back to the manipulative power games, what could possibly be revealed in a few seconds of murmured speech that would flip you out and make you run screaming through the streets?

I'd have much preferred it if instead of looking all smug and gleeful, he'd been clearly ready to wet himself all along but told Janey to pay Annie no mind in a fearful attempt to cover his tracks. And maybe worked himself up to defiance through a "you were asking for it!" rationalization to convince himself that he wouldn't be paying for his crime eventually. In THAT scenario, I could see Annie whispering something like "we all end up in Hell eventually, even the innocent" and cracking his sanity like a walnut.