Let him do his thing, and then you get him out. No messing with him for laughs.

Mal ,'Ariel'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

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Vortex - Aug 18, 2009 5:10:06 pm PDT #9460 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

So, watching Warehouse 13, and for the first time, I liked Lattimer, when he used the word redshirts and then said "that's so cool that you knew what I meant" and Mika's satisfied look (side note, street signs in DC are green, there is no Matheson street or avenue in DC nor do we have boulevards, our streets end in ordinal directions, not compass points, and you cannot take 6th to Constitution! Basic research, let me show you it.)

p.s. - I was almost geeky enough to look up the address of the Secret Service to see if it's near 6th, but I refrained.


dcp - Aug 18, 2009 5:25:01 pm PDT #9461 of 30001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

Ethan Rayne?

eta: Hmmmm. Roger Rees does look a lot like Robin Sachs.


Vortex - Aug 18, 2009 5:31:09 pm PDT #9462 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

No, it wasn't Ethan, but I thought that it was. I was mixing up my typecasted british villians.


Dana - Aug 18, 2009 5:31:49 pm PDT #9463 of 30001
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."

Lord John Marbury!


Jon B. - Aug 18, 2009 6:48:53 pm PDT #9464 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I liked Lattimer, when he used the word redshirts and then said "that's so cool that you knew what I meant"

That was a nice touch. I'm liking their relationship. I'm glad that the writers haven't gone the sexual tension route, and I pray that it stays that way.


§ ita § - Aug 18, 2009 6:52:27 pm PDT #9465 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm glad that the writers haven't gone the sexual tension route, and I pray that it stays that way.

She hotties up next week, but I'm hoping it comes to naught.

There was a shot in some of the promos that looked like them kissing, but I never worked out what it was.


Jon B. - Aug 18, 2009 6:53:33 pm PDT #9466 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

She hotties up next week, but I'm hoping it comes to naught.

Looks like it might be a Mirror-Mirror type episode. Yeah, I'm hoping for no lasting effects.


Liese S. - Aug 20, 2009 2:28:21 pm PDT #9467 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Okay, Torchwood. I had to scroll back to the UK airing and was relieved to find all your astonishment and anger there. By the time it aired here, you were all so...okay with things I was alarmed.

Predictably, of course, I am deeply unhappy about Ianto's death. Thankfully I was spoiled for that, so I was nitpicky instead of aggrieved whilst watching.

Ways Ianto could have not died:

- second Hazmat suit that should have still been in the room, just goopy from the dude going in
- any number of failsafes that should have been built into the box
- opening the airlock (dude going in got specific instructions not to clear it until the levels were high, so if the warning was necessary, then it was vulnerale)
- any number of attacks on the box, pulling a plug, shorting out those speakers, come on people, think
- any number of military actions (okay, okay, you can't find them, whatever)

but let's assume killing the alien representative wouldn't have stopped the virus launched from outer space, so most importantly,

- by Jack's plan not being completely stupid

Speaking of whom! I think it's awful (for Jack) that he killed his grandson in front of his daughter. But I think it didn't have the impact it could have for the viewer, because we didn't know she existed before the series. In fact, we were led to believe that all of them were so so isolated woe is me alone in the world. But in point of fact this turns out to be true of none of them except Toshiko. (More about this in Toshiko Big Thinky, which is still impending.) So none of them are actually isolated, they're just not in contact with their families, who turn out to be nice unassuming folk who don't want to get killed.

Jack's sacrifice of his grandson (as someone pointed out, not his to give) makes him reprehensible to me again. I've felt this way about the character periodically, between the bits where I'm infatuated with him, but this kinda seals it for me.

It's incomprehensible to me why he is perfectly willing to kill his kid's kid, but has an attack of ethics much earlier in the week with regard to kidnapping a family. His lack of willingness to cross that line, calling off the government dogs at that point, allows him to create the dichotomy where he thinks he must kill his grandkid. The tradeoff only comes because of time, and he only is in a time crunch because he spends the whole first part of the series fighting off government baddies instead of alien baddies.

To me there's a whole lot of give up in the whole week's worth of program, which leads to the ultimate conflict.

Furthermore, the government mercenary was swayed by the story of what had happened the first time, which Jack knew. So he could have had a nice storytime with her early on, and then he would have only been fighting with Dekker and the politicians. Which would presumably have been easier than with the politicians' muscle.

Also! What makes the woman who was at the meetings think that she'll be the one taking over? She was caught on camera saying some of the worst things. Seems a bit Haig to me.

Summary: Jack stupid. Torchwood still inept. Sad at Ianto's death. Mad at the kid's.


Vortex - Aug 20, 2009 4:03:12 pm PDT #9468 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Most Epic Fails in Star Wars Design


beekaytee - Aug 20, 2009 4:36:23 pm PDT #9469 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

That article is hilarious. And if I had a nickel for every time I've uttered these exact words,

Midi-Chlorians. Oh, man, don't get me started.
I'd have enough to finance a decent Star Wars sequel.