Counter opinions are always good, I think. I apologize if I got a little carried away with storyteller glee. So rarely do you see writers, regardless of medium, making choices like this and it just thrilled me to my absolute core. I definitely get that it's not going to be everyone's cuppa, but I definitely didn't mean to come across as patronizing in any way, so again, if I did, I apologize.
Sir? I think you have a problem with your brain being missing.
Zoe ,'The Train Job'
Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon
A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.
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Barb - Jul 27, 2009 6:42:11 pm PDT #9200 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”
DCJensen - Jul 27, 2009 6:58:46 pm PDT #9201 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.
Steven Moffat, on the filming of the first episode with the 11th Doctor, on Monday July 20th:
"And here's me, with the job I wanted since I was seven – 40 years to here! If I could go back in time and tell that little boy that one day all this would happen, he'd scream, call for his mum and I'd be talking to you now from a prison cell in 1969. So probably best not then.
"Matt and Karen are going to be incredible, and Doctor Who is going to come alive on Saturday nights in a whole new way – and, best of all, somewhere out there a seven-year-old is going to see them, fall in love and start making a 40-year plan..."
Fiona - Jul 27, 2009 8:52:51 pm PDT #9202 of 30001
My understanding was that both Martha and Mickey were supposed to be joining Torchwood, but that (a) the BBC changed the order from "series" to "five-day special" and that (b) the actors were otherwise engaged.
Now I wonder what that series would have been like, and whether Ianto would still be alive after it.
I didn't really enjoy CoE very much, but recognised the quality, particularly of the acting. Big, big props to Peter Capaldi for playing another edgy civil servant and managing to make him different from Malcom Tucker, and to Susan Brown as Bridget, who didn't even seem to be acting, she just was a middle-aged government PA.
I can't blame RTD for giving it his all, though. If he hadn't, Torchwood would have been cancelled, and he seems to take his responsibilities as the employer of half of Cardiff very seriously. And I can sympathise that he ends up going overboard on the dark after DW and SJA.
Maysa - Jul 27, 2009 9:42:43 pm PDT #9203 of 30001
Perhaps my negative reaction to the storyline in CoE comes from the feeling that CoE was lecturing the viewers about evil and its banality. This is not a unique message, nor anything I am personally a stranger to.
De-lurking to say that while I didn't have a problem with the idea of Jack sacrificing his grandson – I also felt while watching the last episode of CoE that I was being lectured to. It felt like RTD had an idea and he was trying like mad to force events to conform to that idea, instead of thinking through what would actually happen.
Very little in the last episode felt natural to me. Watching that last part all I could think of was how slowly they were delaying the "Jack saves the day moment" and when it finally happened I realized that all those delays were so that there would be no time for Jack to have any other options besides killing his grandson - and it shouldn't be that obvious. The ideas weren’t naturally embedded in the story. I really liked the first four episodes, but the last one didn’t live up to the rest
Theodosia - Jul 28, 2009 1:57:58 am PDT #9204 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"
le nubian, I hope you can rejoin the general conversation here at some point, because I always find your contribution interesting. For me, this particular discussion has been useful for figuring out MY reaction and why it was different than others'.
Tom Scola - Jul 28, 2009 3:58:34 am PDT #9205 of 30001
hwæt
Holy crap, everything getting released on DVD today!
Theodosia - Jul 28, 2009 4:13:24 am PDT #9206 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"
I got Pushing Daisies 2nd season on Sunday, btw. I guess it's time to delete the episodes from my DVRs.
victor infante - Jul 28, 2009 4:30:46 am PDT #9207 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
I was under the impression that after the combined Companions adventure on Dr. Who, that Mickey and Martha would be joining the team, so this gutting of the team was doubly shocking for me.
Yeah, they were saying the actors weren't available, but I can't help but wonder if they didn't purposely delay their arrival to tell the darker story, letting a familiar face or two join in season four might lighten the mood some.
sumi - Jul 28, 2009 4:56:31 am PDT #9208 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!
Yeah, everything is out today. . . . and I cannot afford any of it yet.
Typo Boy - Jul 28, 2009 7:58:59 am PDT #9209 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Le Nubian, hope I did not come off as lecturing. I think the key difference in your reaction is one that probably says nothing, but if it say an anything says something good about you. You did not let yourself be manipulated emotionally into complicity which was the means by which COE told its story.