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I think Jack taking 12 children to the aliens in 1965, coupled with his sacrifice of his grandson (without having a sit down with his daughter first) makes him a complete bastard. I did not find Jack sympathetic in the least concerning his actions (on the other hand, I really had a problem with his constant torment).
without having a sit down with his daughter first
That wasn't an option given their timeframe. It was either take him now or not take him at all.
My previous comment stands:
Yes, the writers did set up a no win.
One that I didn't think they needed to do.
I think it boils down to how naked did you want to strip Jack emotionally. Their answer was entirely, and yours is not.
I'm not sure about that. I feel like I saw a lot of Jack and his darkest days prior to CoE. I'm not sure I felt I saw him stripped naked - more than the loss of Tosh & Owen and the betrayal of his brother. That was some really dark stuff. How much more did we need to see? Will RTD and friends try to top CoE next? I mean damn.
My central question: Did we need RTD to try to attempt to go darker after "Exit Wounds?"
What's next? Watching Jack choke all of his living kids and grandkids by hand and then seeing him get pulled limb from limb. When he reassembles, can we then see him drawn and quartered? Then can we see a flashback that he was involved in some genocidal act?
My central question: Did we need RTD to try to attempt to go darker after "Exit Wounds?"
I think so, because in this case, it was showing the ordinariness of evil. The fact that the 456 were using the children as drugs. That the real villain of the piece was an ordinary man, the Prime Minister.
And that in showing us that kind of evil, how it's the good people, the ones with conscience, who ultimately pay the most.
I feel like I saw a lot of Jack and his darkest days prior to CoE
What did he do that was as harrowing as sacrificing a child (his own blood to boot) over its mother's screams?
your previous post was regarding his emotions: which seems pretty in the pits in "Exit Wounds."
That was what my response was regarding. I cannot comment on actions since I’m not sure I attribute "dark" to actions in and of themselves. Dark is a sense of hopelessness. That is more of an emotional response than actions.
I'd say that the story was about selfishness versus sacrifice. And how we'll justify or turn a blind eye to all sorts of things as necessary evils until they affect us personally. They could have called the 456 the NIMBY. The PM was the most extreme example, but there's a lot of "That's a shame, but it's not my problem" running through the whole thing.
So if Jack saves millions by killing some crazy, miserable old man nobody cares about -- or some other child, with no connection to the characters -- I think that undercuts the story significantly. It's not a sacrifice if it doesn't cost anything.
So if Jack saves millions by killing some crazy, miserable old man nobody cares about -- or some other child, with no connection to the characters -- I think that undercuts the story significantly. It's not a sacrifice if it doesn't cost anything.
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