Illyria: Wesley's dead. I'm feeling grief for him. I can't seem to control it. I wish to do more violence. Spike: Well, wishes just happen to be horses today.

'Not Fade Away'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Barb - Jul 24, 2009 6:44:57 am PDT #9045 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”

Why don't the 456 just take some children? Why do they keep asking? Whatever the reason is must be a pretty exploitable weakness.

I'm getting the impression that can't physically do a lot other than spew green shit and let loose viruses. They have to have the children come to them, or at least come within range so they can suck them up with the flashing beam of light. They're clearly using the children as some sort of life support. I just don't think they're that physically capable/proactive.


Trudy Booth - Jul 24, 2009 6:48:57 am PDT #9046 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I just don't think they're that physically capable/proactive.

Yeah, me either.

Which means the people who built the enclosure-tank-thing were IDIOTS to not build in a way to destroy it. Or maybe they did -- the guy who looks spookily like John Spencer may have survived in his HazMat suit. (Leo McGarry would NEVER put up with this shit, btw.)


Trudy Booth - Jul 24, 2009 6:50:00 am PDT #9047 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Oh, and I love that the 456 DID know that Clem was watching. And I'm suspecting they left him behind for a reason other than some pubes.


Vortex - Jul 24, 2009 6:59:01 am PDT #9048 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Or maybe they did -- the guy who looks spookily like John Spencer may have survived in his HazMat suit

I suspect if they looked at the formulation of the gas that the creature required, they would discover a lot about it. And if they hadn't blown up Torchwood, they might even have had a weapon that could have been used against them. Also, if they can figure out why the 456 want the children, they may be able to make the children unpalatable in some way. It's interesting that the kid in the box had some sort of breathing apparatus on.

Random thought: Technically, the 456 didn't welsh on the deal not to come back, England did. They promised 12 children, but only gave them 11, since Clem escaped.


Barb - Jul 24, 2009 7:01:52 am PDT #9049 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”

They promised 12 children, but only gave them 11, since Clem escaped.

Did he really, though? I got the feeling that he was walking into the light, just lagging behind, and as he got close, the blinding flash happened, taking the others, but leaving him behind. And because everyone was blinded by the flash and had looked away, he took the opportunity to run.


Trudy Booth - Jul 24, 2009 7:02:45 am PDT #9050 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Random thought: Technically, the 456 didn't welsh on the deal not to come back, England did. They promised 12 children, but only gave them 11, since Clem escaped.

That occurred to me too! But then Clem and Gwen were had the whole "Why was I left behind?" "Puberty?" discussion and it seemed more like the 456 rejected him.


Trudy Booth - Jul 24, 2009 7:04:20 am PDT #9051 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

And it is amusingly politically incorrect in this instance to say they welshed. Good one.


Nora Deirdre - Jul 24, 2009 8:13:18 am PDT #9052 of 30001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

It's interesting that the kid in the box had some sort of breathing apparatus on.

Well, I thought it was so he doesn't breathe the toxic/poisonous air that the 456 breathes?


Vortex - Jul 24, 2009 8:14:22 am PDT #9053 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Right, but that tells us something, right? that the children don't adapt to their environment.


Typo Boy - Jul 24, 2009 8:54:36 am PDT #9054 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

It also tells us that the children are not killed instantly.