I am watching the first episode of Torchwood.
I just said that you're pretty. Even when you're covered in...engine grease, you're... No, especially, especially when you're covered in engine grease.
Simon ,'Jaynestown'
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sj - Jul 15, 2009 2:54:09 pm PDT #8861 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
Fay - Jul 15, 2009 9:46:19 pm PDT #8862 of 30001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
I don't disagree. I like the show. But I think Jack's superpowers qualify him more to be a team member than a team leader.
'Course, the only reason he is a Team Leader is because everyone else died. He was clearly stuck in Team Member/Affiliate position for decades and decades and decades until that day when he came waltzing into the hub and found everyone was dead. He's been giving leadership the old college try, but - yeah. He doesn't rock at it, charisma and swashbuckling skills notwithstanding.
I thought that this was a very interesting commentary on CoE.
le nubian - Jul 16, 2009 2:39:40 am PDT #8863 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
Fay, I think that is an interesting commentary. To those points, I would add that the plot had problems that could have been conquered with better writing and better continuity between character development in the TW series vs. this mini-series.
Strega - Jul 16, 2009 6:06:11 am PDT #8864 of 30001
I would quibble with the part of the post Fay linked to that says Children of Earth was groundbreaking for mixing sci-fi with social commentary. Adi Tantimedh's piece at Bleeding Cool did a pretty good job of putting Torchwood in context. I saw several responses to the show that were along the lines of, "Hey, that was proper British sci-fi, and not just an imitation of American TV."
Fay - Jul 16, 2009 6:16:55 am PDT #8865 of 30001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
I would quibble with the part of the post Fay linked to that says Children of Earth was groundbreaking for mixing sci-fi with social commentary.
Fair enough. Which British TV show/s are you thinking of in particular?
Vortex - Jul 16, 2009 7:07:13 am PDT #8866 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
I would quibble with the part of the post Fay linked to that says Children of Earth was groundbreaking for mixing sci-fi with social commentary.
Hey, we've been doing that since the '60s! Star Trek was all about the social commentary - interracial dating, tolerance, peace/war! :)
Burrell - Jul 16, 2009 8:54:08 am PDT #8867 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, there's a long tradition of mixing sci fi and social commentary.
Cashmere - Jul 16, 2009 10:00:30 am PDT #8868 of 30001
Now tagless for your comfort.
Watching Eureka now. Would like to note that when Henry says the dish is made of a beryllium compound that that's a real metal. Good on the writers for researching a light but strong metal.
Strega - Jul 16, 2009 11:23:25 am PDT #8869 of 30001
Which British TV show/s are you thinking of in particular?The Prisoner leaps to mind. Quartermass has a number of similarities to CoE that I suspect are intentional on Davies' part. Cold Lazarus.
Star Trek was all about the social commentary - interracial dating, tolerance, peace/war!
Fond as I am of old-school Trek... it's got plenty of moralizing, but I think to qualify as social commentary, the criticism needs a bit more nuance than "war is bad."
Polter-Cow - Jul 16, 2009 11:25:35 am PDT #8870 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
War is bad ("A Taste of Armageddon"), except when it is good ("Errand of Mercy")! See, nuance.