I like Vortex's Andy vision. Whatever he's doing, he's such a perfect addition to Eureka -- want moar!

(Also, have sudden urge to play with Andy/S.A.R.A.H. Sadly, all my bunnies are vidbunnies these days, and vidding a disembodied voice is ... kinda not.)

le nubian -- If Jack had said "we can't use Steven because he's my grandson; let's find a kid who's likely to die soon anyway" he would have been exactly the same as the politicians who exempted their own kids and decided to hand over the low achievers.

I don't think so...

I think there is a difference between using class prejudice and low levels of imagination and problem-solving to deal with a crisis and trying to figure out if it is really appropriate that they use the only child in an entire building who was only there because the government was trying to kill and bribe Captain Jack. If not for the government trying to coerce Jack, his grandson wouldn't have fucking been there in the first place and they would have had to go to a nearby hospital, etc.

Mind you: think this grandson should have been a definite risk, but I don't think he should have been THE one chosen, nor that his mother had to witness his death. The whole thing was completely out of line especially after killing Ianto. I felt the same way about Captain Jack's team's death last season.

BTW, I think that if someone from the government had been frank with the parents of a very ill child, you probably could have gotten a set of parents to agree to this. But of course that wasn't the point the writers wanted to make.

Torchwood: I don't have a problem with a show going dark in a massive way. My problem is that I wasn't convinced that the characters would act the way presented. For many of the reasons le nubian has mentioned. Grumble. So I have updated my tag to reflect happier times.

Where was the logic assuming that the other countries of the world would give up their ten percent of children? How long could the government's complicitness have remained even remotely secret? How could the UK complying have gotten them off the hook? Were the US going to go ahead as well? They were aware of the demands too.

That's my big hole, much bigger than LeN's.

yes.

I was wondering where the "show of force" was. Gassing a building, killing 100 people is not going to cut it. I assume we are to believe the other countries were so freaked out by all the kids speaking as one that they feared reprisal.

I understand from reading LJ that some TW fans are so upset they're sending very nasty messages to the writers. Possibly including death threats.

Which, you know, that's not on.

I thought the entire series was very well-done, with some egregious plot-holes and a bit too much patriarchy. Also, I have no patience at all for Jack Harkness' Man Pain. But Gwen and Rhys and Lois and Johnson and Alice and Bridget and Ianto's family were all awesome. Oh, and Andy!

In the end, it's all just fiction. And definitely not fiction that deserves death threats, if any fiction ever does. People need perspective.

It left a sour taste in my mouth, but I get it. I got it the whole time. I just don't like what it did to the show and the team. I hope the series is done with, because I lack the imagination to imagine it day forward as even a shadow of its former self. But that is probably just one of the many reasons I'm on this side of the creative divide.

you know, I was hoping that they would have hired at least 2 new people for the team before this miniseries started up. I could see watching another miniseries. I'm a glutton for punishment. Maybe having a brand new team? I hope that the whole team survives, that Gwen and her child and husband survive. You can have dark without it going into Spooks territory with every outing. There's a reason why I stopped watching Spooks.