Angel: Yeah, I never told anyone about this, but I-I liked your poems. Spike: You like Barry Manilow.

'Hell Bound'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Anne W. - Mar 20, 2009 6:24:15 pm PDT #7466 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I turned it off too quickly at the end. What was on the last endcard?


chrismg - Mar 20, 2009 6:25:01 pm PDT #7467 of 30001
"...and then Legolas and the Hulk destroy the entire Greek army." - Penny Arcade

Oh, I forgot! The New Colony: Totally based on a Shadow vessel (Y/Y)?


JenP - Mar 20, 2009 6:25:51 pm PDT #7468 of 30001

They were two hippies, and one of them said, "Peace," to the other. And then they got run over by a truck, whose driver said, "Damn hippies!"


Anne W. - Mar 20, 2009 6:26:31 pm PDT #7469 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

thank you!


quester - Mar 20, 2009 6:38:17 pm PDT #7470 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

He said "Fraking hippies"


quester - Mar 20, 2009 6:40:09 pm PDT #7471 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

When was the actress playing Hera replaced? was it at the beginning or in the middle of this season?


JenP - Mar 20, 2009 6:41:11 pm PDT #7472 of 30001

Fracking hippies. Ha! Can't believe I remembered that wrong.


quester - Mar 20, 2009 6:43:40 pm PDT #7473 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

I loves me some closed captioning, I do!


sumi - Mar 20, 2009 9:31:50 pm PDT #7474 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Man, I was so tense through most of that. I totally thought that Helo was dead.

I was thinking that there were some things that might be explained in "The Plan" - for example - who it was that 6 greeted when she left Baltar at the beginning of the miniseries.

Maybe we'll find out more about Daniel.

I can't figure out how I feel about it all.


Pete, Husband of Jilli - Mar 20, 2009 11:01:48 pm PDT #7475 of 30001
"I've got a gun! I've got a mother-flippin' gun!" - Moss, The IT Crowd

Oh yes, "The Plan". That will be interesting. i hope it gives some closure to a few things that really bugged me...

The action, well, the action gets an A, maybe an A- if I want to be mean about some of the shaky CGI lighting on some of the centurions, especially the old ones.

The plot? Maybe a C+. Nope, not satisfied. The opera-house sequence payoff wasn't anywhere near as meaningful as it should have been. Hera's presence should have meant something - perhaps by having her be the one who put her hand in the hybrid's water to interesting effect - but instead her presence there was only important because everyone decided she was important. Her being the first true hybrid had very little bearing on that scene beyond what we already knew - that both sides wanted her.

The unanswered questions are what really are the buzzkill for me; the accuracy of the scriptures, the 'angels', the nature and intentions of 'god'. Essentially this divine plan turns out to be exactly that, a divine plan. I suppose the fact that these things were exactly what they said they were could be conceived as a plot twist by virtue of confounding our expectations that they were anything other than what they seemed, but that's not exciting writing. It's also anti-climatic as the nature of Baltar's visions and what 'god' actually was were important questions that have hung over the series since the beginning.

Some of the emotional payoffs were good though. Though it turning out Kara Thrace really was some kind of divine messenger was just another frustratingly vague closure.

I hope when the DVD is released, some of that extra footage explains why they felt it wise to dump their fleet into the sun, when the lessons of New Caprica make it clear you're not safe until every last Cylon is dead. After all, there had been Basestars seen jumping in and out from the Cylon colony so it has to be assumed there are still Basestars out there that want some payback for the colony's destruction. The destruction of the fleet seemed to be a plot device that aided the series' closure without making any internal sense for the characters.

So, not enough answers for my taste. Good action, good emotional resonance but it's all squandered by not actually wrapping up key segments of the plot that have been with us since day 1.

Ho hum. It was fun, but it was popcorn masquerading as a filling meal.