Fred: The size and depth of the wound indicate a female vampire. Harmony: Or gay! Fred: Um…it doesn't really work like that.

'Harm's Way'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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victor infante - Aug 03, 2008 3:22:35 pm PDT #4024 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

It's actually a little problem I have with Captain Jack. He's supposed to be omni/bisexual, but he only shows overt attraction to men (Gwen notwithstanding). This, of course, could be my bitterness/wishful thinking.

Uhm, I think you need to go back and watch some of Jack's interactions with just about every character who wasn't shooting at him on either show. From romancing Rose when he meets her, to flirting with the old secretary at Reese's trucking company, there's been lots of overt attraction to women. He just seems to more easily end up in bed (or wherever's convenient) with men.


Vortex - Aug 03, 2008 3:53:35 pm PDT #4025 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I got the impression it was Dalek Caan.

I like my spelling better -- KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!


WindSparrow - Aug 03, 2008 4:05:14 pm PDT #4026 of 30001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Uhm, I think you need to go back and watch some of Jack's interactions with just about every character who wasn't shooting at him on either show. From romancing Rose when he meets her, to flirting with the old secretary at Reese's trucking company, there's been lots of overt attraction to women. He just seems to more easily end up in bed (or wherever's convenient) with men.

Not to mention that relationship he'd had with the old woman who loved fairies - whom he had obviously loved when she was of an age, and then put himself back in her life when enough time had passed he could pretend he was the son of her old flame. That was an important love to him, more than just sex, but I have a hard time thinking the two of them were entirely chaste with one another. Too much passion for that, and too much wistfulness on Jack's part for him to have looked her up simply for charity's sake.


Typo Boy - Aug 03, 2008 5:25:52 pm PDT #4027 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Yeah my read on Captain Jack is that his omnisexuality, though highly inclusive of women, still is stronger towards men. And after all, no reason bi-sexuality or omni-sexuality has to be divided exactly 50/50 between genders.


DCJensen - Aug 03, 2008 5:59:12 pm PDT #4028 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.

I want Jenny to show up and Donna to go into crisis, and remember everything. Once she gets cured, she gets to tear the Doctor a new one.

if she doesnt remember the Doctor, how can she remember Jenny? Although I guess Jenny might talk to her and jog her memory.

Exactly.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 03, 2008 6:32:55 pm PDT #4029 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I don't know... I get the sense that the Doctor is the great unrequited love of Jack's life, and he ended up involved in an affair with Ianto, so the gay end of the spectrum is getting more screentime. But I could have easily seen them choosing to develop something between Jack and Gwen instead (which actually seems to have been the way they intended to go before the decision to keep Rhys alive and the popularity of the Jack/Ianto pairing moved things onto the current track). I do kind of wish they'd made the love/hate character from his past Captain Jane Hart and cast someone like Suzi Plakson instead, for better gender parity and less point-by-point similarity to Angel.


Fay - Aug 03, 2008 9:23:08 pm PDT #4030 of 30001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

It's actually a little problem I have with Captain Jack. He's supposed to be omni/bisexual, but he only shows overt attraction to men (Gwen notwithstanding).

But, but, but...Rose! Martha! (Having just rewatched that whole Jack-meets-Martha episode, with all the bonding about their shared Doctor UST and vague Rose-resentment, I sort of want to hug the both of them.) The blue chick (Chan Tho?) who was The Master's loyal sidekick! And he's mad into Gwen (and pretty clearly would have been all over the notion of a Gwen/Jack/Ianto sandwich, when she walked in on him shagging Ianto that time), and as pointed out there was Fairy!Lady too, bless her, and Rhys's secretary...

Sorry, I don't mean to pile on. I agree that there have v. likely been more references to ex boyfriends/evidence of Jack falling hard for blokes (John, The Doctor, Ianto) than for women.

But why the bitterness, love? He's pretty much 'Yay, people! With sex drives! Yay!' (...I mean, Vortex, you're totally in there, love! Er. You know, once you've figured out how to step through the screen into his reality, that is. And assuming you're not being attacked by anything monstrous and armed at that point. Er. Which can't have been the point you were making, but somehow I seem to have wandered offtopic and now to be writing RPS Vortex/Cap'n Jack in my reply...er. I blame your cleavage. It can distract a person.)

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I get the sense that the Doctor is the great unrequited love of Jack's life

Yes, indeed - and I have to say, rewatching that Jack-finds-The-Doctor episode in Season 3 really made me want to smack the Doctor over the head. He saw Jack coming, and he still legged it. And was quite unapologetic about it when he saw Jack sprawled 'dead' (even assuming he somehow knew about the whole deathproof thing). I mean, really - WTF? 'Oh noes, a hot bloke who adores me [and my Rosie] and who cannot die? The possibility for a friend and/or lover who WON'T leave me all alone? A possible end to my endless emo manpain? I must flee! Flee like a fleeing thing that fleetly flees!'

Between that, and The Doctor's slightly proud "she fancied me" acknowledgement about Martha at the start of Season 4, I did sort of want to smack him over the head. Quite a lot.

The Doctor: not relationship material, boys and girls. Really. His baggage has baggage, and he likes it that way.

He and The Master so should have ended up together. (...only, without the whole Dobby Jesus shtick.)


Fay - Aug 04, 2008 12:44:03 am PDT #4031 of 30001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

...later.

So where do we discuss Numb3rs again? Is it here? I forget. I wandered over to the Procedurals Thread, but couldn't find anything there. Hmm.


Theodosia - Aug 04, 2008 2:41:07 am PDT #4032 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Numb3rs would be Procedurals, yes.


DCJensen - Aug 04, 2008 4:31:18 am PDT #4033 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.

He saw Jack coming, and he still legged it. And was quite unapologetic about it when he saw Jack sprawled 'dead' (even assuming he somehow knew about the whole deathproof thing).

I was under the assumption that the Doctor took off because Jack came back wrong, and he felt he might have to do something about it. The Tardis thought Jack wrong enough to go to the end of civilisaton to try and shake him off.