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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


lisah - Jul 28, 2008 8:08:56 am PDT #3853 of 30001
Punishingly Intricate

You guys didn't watch the Sara Jane Adventures! (He comes into the picture in the very first episode.) Netflix the dvds when they come out.

My netflix queue is already too long (have to get through Season 1 of Friday Night Lights AND Mad Men still)! could somebody just explain it please?


Polter-Cow - Jul 28, 2008 8:14:34 am PDT #3854 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

it was promo free. we were left flailing with just the "TO BE CONTINUED".

The BBC did release a promo, but it was basically all Davros going MWAHAHAHA rather than giving you any clue as to what was going on with the regeneration.


Vortex - Jul 28, 2008 8:22:01 am PDT #3855 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I think Who was more of a kids show back in the day, but I'm not sure it's being presented that way since its return.

I've heard it referred to as a "grown up Who"


§ ita § - Jul 28, 2008 8:25:37 am PDT #3856 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Yeah, Who left at my age and came back at my age. Very considerate, all told.


Tom Scola - Jul 28, 2008 8:28:44 am PDT #3857 of 30001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

I love SJA precisely because of the old-school Who nostalgia factor. (And also because Elisabeth Sladen is so awesome).


WindSparrow - Jul 28, 2008 8:40:33 am PDT #3858 of 30001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Lisah, Sarah Jane adopted a boy who was born yesterday. Sort of. [link] He was created as an archetype of humanity for some villains to use to learn how to better take over the world. After stopping the villains, Sarah Jane decides to adopt him.


Juliebird - Jul 28, 2008 8:41:05 am PDT #3859 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I've heard it referred to as a "grown up Who"

granted, I haven't read a whole lot of articles about it, but I remember an Eccleston interview that gave the strong impression that it was a kids show, and perhaps several others that focused solely on children's reactions to the show. And then there's the Fear Factor on the BBC site.

I don't recall the old Who, but even with the very apparent adult vibes, there is also a... delicateness and avoidance of certain things that I assume is catering to the viewership that is made up of a new generation of kids. Which, while at times I wished they'd cross that invisible line, like I said, I think it's that sensitivity that kept it from Torchwood's freshman failings.


WindSparrow - Jul 28, 2008 8:44:26 am PDT #3860 of 30001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

I don't recall the old Who, but even with the very apparent adult vibes, there is also a... delicateness and avoidance of certain things that I assume is catering to the viewership that is made up of a new generation of kids.

It's more of a whole family show, than an adult show. The delicate skirting around things is plain to the adults who enjoy the references, with the tacit understanding that kids who are too young to "get it" won't learn it there. Kids who do "get it", well, they were obviously corrupted by some other source well beforehand.


Juliebird - Jul 28, 2008 8:53:17 am PDT #3861 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Family Show. That's it. Good term, that.


Nora Deirdre - Jul 28, 2008 8:55:23 am PDT #3862 of 30001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

Apparantly Stephen Moffat was quoted at Comic-Con that he wants to bring back Who to how he remembers it in his own childhood- scaring the shit out of him.

I think it's a show for everyone. It's well written (mostly) and well acted (usually) and everyone on it seems to love it and have lots of fun making it. I think the genre of "children's tv" is pretty marginalized and comes from this (relatively new) theory that children ARE DELICATE FLOWERS and WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN? and how they shouldn't be exposed to loss or death or fear or unfairness or unpleasantness.

I love reading the Fear Forecast on the BBC site- those kids, even the young ones, love the show and get the show. Kids aren't stupid and can actually be remarkably empathetic and insightful, even when it comes to a TV show.

(I know I'm sort of stating the obvious in this particular community but I think that people denying kids their intelligence and emotional depth is what leads us to the ghettoization of "children's TV.")